[rlmorel]

Those of us who have been in the Navy, around the Navy, and have knowledge of the Navy’s processes and procedures understand full well that this isn’t “The Chinese did it” or whatever.

This is going to be poor seamanship, poor execution of processes, poor training, and poor leadership, exacerbated by factors such as extended operational cycles and PC crap thrown in for good measure.

That’s it. Those who know better understand fully that these incidents are the result of just that.

On this one thread, there are people speculating that the Korcoms/Chicoms/Russians did it, a series of disgruntled crews did it, and the only thing missing is that aliens did it.

People need to get a grip here.

Some of these conversations look ignorant at best, and downright evil at worst.

[NorthMountain]

and the only thing missing is that aliens did it.

Ask, and ye shall receive ...

[BroJoeK]

rimorel: "Some of these conversations look ignorant at best, and downright evil at worst."

Speculations by people hoping to get a grip on the unknown.
But lacking evidence to the contrary, just as you say, first guess should be some failure of command.

[cva66snipe]

Those of us who have been in the Navy, around the Navy, and have knowledge of the Navy’s processes and procedures understand full well that this isn’t “The Chinese did it” or whatever.

This is going to be poor seamanship, poor execution of processes, poor training, and poor leadership, exacerbated by factors such as extended operational cycles and PC crap thrown in for good measure.

That’s it. Those who know better understand fully that these incidents are the result of just that.

Very true but the Navy we knew was disassembled beginning in the early 90's. Think about it. If a man enlisted in 1992 he would now have 25 years in. Most don't stay that long. An entire generation of sailors or an entire career cycle never saw the Navy you and I did. I'm not saying under Jimmy Peanuts we didn't have issues but we passed our readiness exams.

WE have Admirals who never saw the Reagan Navy which was the height of readiness. By 1992 things had gone to crap and it's stayed there.

I'm not attacking the sailors themselves. I'm attacking and condemning SECDEF and SECNAVs from the Poppy Bush administration through Omabas as well as congress. The top is corrupt and very bad choices have been made. Now we see the end result of the neglect.

They need to ask for fleet reserve {retired}senior NCO's and 0-5's to come back in and show how it was done. Pay them civilian tech rep pay but give them their rank.