GENERAL PERSHING, PIGS, PHILIPPINES AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

FrontPageMag.com ^ | August 18, 2017 | Daniel Greenfield

[11th_VA]

"These Juramentado attacks were materially reduced in number by a practice that the Mohamedans held in abhorrence. The bodies were publicly buried in the same grave with a dead pig. It was not pleasant to have to take such measures, but the prospect of going to hell instead of heaven sometimes deterred the would-be assassins."

These were the words of General Pershing in his autobiography. According to the New York Times (despite having reported on it at the time) it's a myth. The Washington Post agrees. They both cite fact checks by Politifact and Snopes. The problem with all the fact checks is... the facts.

The media has avoided the problem by consulting "experts" who tell them exactly what they want to hear. And what they want to hear is that it never happened. But not only was it written up in the New York Times, the Scientific American, a number of other publications, and mentioned by a number of other military officers, General Pershing had written about it.

General Pershing fell ill and died while working on his unpublished autobiography. The materials remained at the Library of Congress Manuscripts Division. Some contain his handwritten notes. They can be examined by the public.

John T. Greenwood, who assembled, edited and published the manuscript, was the former chief of the Office of Medical History, Office of the Surgeon General, US Army. He is also the author of a number of other military history books.

The book was positively reviewed as a military studies text. It was published by the University of Kentucky Press. At no point in time, until this issue came up, did anyone question its legitimacy: ...

[M Kehoe]

There are some pictures of the event. Or purported to be of the event. Either DOD or DOA, can’t remember which.

5.56mm

[fr_freak]

Orwell was a seer, I never thought I would live to see this.

I keep seeing this stated. I think people forget that Orwell was actively involved with the Left for most of his early life. He didn't describe these types of things in "1984" and "Animal Farm" because he dreamed them or saw the future - he watched the Left do this right in front of his eyes. In fact, Orwell clearly stated that he abandoned the Left precisely because of stuff like this (what term did they use for 'Orwellian' before Orwell?)

[generally]

Informative post. I didn’t know that. Many thanks.

[Red Steel]

"Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years! "

The words "Study" and "for 35 years!" are big clues that Trump already knew the correct answer before he tweeted. Some never learn...the DUmb media.

[DiogenesLamp]

Nothing in there about bullets.

Sort of an insignificant part of the point. The salient point here is that pigs were used as a weapon against Islamic terrorists.

Details may be wrong, but the main thrust of the point is exactly correct.

[Moonman62]

Yep, Trump simply said study Pershing. He didn’t go into details this time, but that’s not the way the corrupt and biased media reported it.

[Intolerant in NJ]

Well, well, well, but, but, but Trump said they were shot with bullets covered in pig’s blood - this says they were buried with a dead pig - that’s not the same - Trump lied again /sarc in case I need to add it.....

[robroys woman]

Sorry. I thought he had mentioned that. I’ll have to re-read the quote.

[robroys woman]

I’m getting it from here (it’s a february of 2016 quote):
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-resurrects-bloody-war-myth-wake-barcelona-attack-n793626

“He took fifty bullets, and he dipped them in pig’s blood,” Trump said at a rally in South Carolina in February 2016. “And he had his men load his rifles and he lined up the fifty people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the fiftieth person he said ‘You go back to your people and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem, okay?”

[Huskerfan44]

My first knowledge of actions initiated by Pershing to defeat and suppress the Moros happened in discussions with Philippineos near NAS Sangley Point in 1968. They mentioned the use of swine blood and parts. I later learned more about Gen. Pershing upon return to USA.

[GreyFriar]

The account about the burying of Moro rebels bodies with pig carcasses is true and began in the Philippines BEFORE Gen Pershing was in command, but apparently continued to be done after he took command. I read the two pages, 312 & 313 if I remember correctly, in Pershing’s auto-biography today and also footnote #12 for that chapter, in which Dr. Greenwood told about reports of using carcasses.

The story about “bullets dipped in_____” hasn’t been substantiated as fact and continues to live, because, in my opinion, it is too good of a story. And it may have derived from the use of British bullets coated in either lard or beef tallow that was one of the causes of the Sepoy Rebellion in India.

[GreyFriar]

I recommend for reading this article by Daniel Greenfiled about General Pershing’s pre-WWI autobiography that was edited by Dr. Greenwood.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/267622/general-pershing-pigs-philippines-and-islamic-daniel-greenfield

I have known Dr. Greenwood for two decades and will vouch for his professionalism and accuracy as a historian.

[zot]

Thanks for the ping and the link and the personal recommendation.

[DiogenesLamp]

The account about the burying of Moro rebels bodies with pig carcasses is true and began in the Philippines BEFORE Gen Pershing was in command, but apparently continued to be done after he took command. I read the two pages, 312 & 313 if I remember correctly, in Pershing’s auto-biography today and also footnote #12 for that chapter, in which Dr. Greenwood told about reports of using carcasses.

Thanks for letting me know about this. It is more confirmation.

The story about “bullets dipped in_____” hasn’t been substantiated as fact and continues to live, because, in my opinion, it is too good of a story. And it may have derived from the use of British bullets coated in either lard or beef tallow that was one of the causes of the Sepoy Rebellion in India.

That was what I was thinking. I've read about the British using this technique and I thought perhaps this is where the story about Pershing doing something similar, was derived.

[DiogenesLamp]

I had read this article earlier, but thanks for posting it so that others might see it.

[GreyFriar]

You’re welcome

[Intolerant in NJ]

Thanks for the link - looks like good reading.....
I sometimes wonder what would have happened on 9/11 had the passengers on the plane that went down in Pennsylvania started shouting at the terrorists that they should surrender or whatever happened, our government would find their bodies and bury them in pig sh*t - with the emotion of the moment, the outcome probably would have been the same, but just maybe if those killers really were religious in any way the threat might have brought them up short - just the thought of no seventy virgins might have turned a couple around....