Posted on 08/16/2017 6:02:20 PM PDT by SJackson
Long before most people in Europe or North America were familiar with the word ‘jihad’, left-wing terrorism ravaged much of Western Europe.
Groups like West Germany’s Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Gang, America’s Symbionese Liberation Army, Italy’s Red Brigades, Spain’s First of October Anti-Fascist Resistance Groups, Portugal’s FP-25, Action Directe in France and the IRA in Britain were left wing terrorist groups who committed numerous atrocities including targeted killings, bombings, kidnappings and torture on a wide scale.
At a time when most people correctly thought of Mosques as places of peace and holiness, these far-left groups put fear into the hearts of many in the west throughout the 1970s, 1980s and in some cases into the 1990s and beyond.
The violence of these groups should not be surprising. Violence is part and parcel of extreme left-wing militant politics.
The Bolsheviks were able to conquer the great Russian Tsardom not through the powers of persuasion as the left would like many to believe, but through a campaign of total terrorism. Civilians were massacred, women were raped by the hundreds, the legitimate leader of Russia was executed next to his family including his young children, priests were slaughtered, places of worship destroyed.
Even the hardliner Marxist thinker Karl Kautsky called the Bolsheviks terrorists and condemned their atrocities. Some estimate that the Bolsheviks killed 1.5 million people, mostly Russians, during their early reign of terror.
Of course the far-right are also killers, fascism remains the most wicked blood-soaked ideology the world has known and there is nothing I personally decry more than the far-right fascists who are currently in control of the Ukrainian regime and who have a large presence in much of Eastern Europe including and especially in Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.
Russia was never a country bewitched by nor in love with communism. Russia was a country of proud patriots and remains so today. It was these patriots who won the Great Patriotic War against Hitler’s fascism. I support the Soviet Union and decry the Communist Party of the Soviet Union that destroyed that great state in 1991. I equally decry the Communists who destroyed the great Russian Empire in 1917. Many Russians loved the Soviet Union not because of but in spite of Communism.
In this sense Communism destroyed the Russian state twice, whereas fascism only destroyed Europe once in a formal sense.
This is not to say that fascists are not once again trying to destroy the Russian state, they very much are but this time it is deeply unlikely that they will succeed. They are thankfully losing the battle against the heroic Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics who stand as the anti-fascist bulwarks against far-right aggression.
But whereas Eastern Europe and Russians historic borderlands are teaming with fascism, the problem in western Europe and North America is now as it has been through much of the later half of the 20th century, left-wing terrorism that has forged a strange alliance with Salafist ideology.
The group Antifaschistische Aktion, better known as Antifa openly advocates and practices political violence against peaceful demonstrators and even those who are not engaged in any demonstrable political action. In this sense Antifa is the new Baader-Meinhof Gang–the new IRA.
The Liberal Democratic Party of Russia has recently condemned any and all forms of political violence. When will western leaders do the same?
Perhaps it is not surprising that they do not. It is western leaders who funded al-Qaeda and al-Qaeda clone groups in 2011 during the illegal war against the Great Socialist People’s Libyan Arab Jamahiriya. It is western governments that continue to fund, arm and train Salafist/Wahhabist terrorists in Syrian Arab Republic and it is the western backed Israel which continues to exercise a policy of violence and aggression against secular Arab governments, including and especially that of Palestine, but also of course Syria. In Syria, Israel is on the same side as the terrorist group Hamas.
Why then should it surprise people that western leaders are totally complicit in the funding of violent left-wing groups by the well-known mega-rich fifth columnist George Soros?
Why should it surprise people that Hezbollah which is a legitimate political party in Lebanon whose votes are only increasing is named as a terrorist group by the United States (though not by Russia or China and most of the wider multi-polar world) while Antifa who actually commit acts of unprovoked violence against western citizens in western countries is not named as such?
The dots are easy enough to connect, but the fact remains that there is a supreme awkwardness in the fact that Antifa, who are mostly secular terrorists are now on the same side as the blood-soaked jihadists and also on the same side as right wing Zionist aggressors.
It is even more surreal that in attacking people who have been brainwashed by the liberal mainstream media into falsely equating peaceful, holy Islam with jihadism are actually proving an important point that left-wing terrorists have statistically killed and harmed more people and property in the west than any jihadist group has done to date or is likely to do.
I for one do not agree with people like Milo Yiannopoulos when they say that Islam is tantamount to Salafism. Indeed, secular, mainstream Muslims, both Shia’s and Sunni (though increasingly Shi’a) are usually the first victims of jihadism. But how can one add factual content to Milo’s peaceful, legal and necessary debates when a terrorist group like Antifa joins with the jihadists in assaulting the peaceful right of Milo’s peaceful supporters to engage in free speech? How too can the west claim to be anything but barbarous when Antifa terrorists can physically assault a philosopher and musician like Gilad Atzmon for the ‘crime’ of wanting to engage in a peaceful Socratic seminar discussing his new book on moral philosophy socio-political trends and identity politics? Ironically, Atzmon’s book is anti-party political, anti-fascist and anti-communist The only moral, ethical and just thing to do is to condemn all forms of violence, including and especially political violence. One must condemn fascism, violent left-wing terrorism, Salafist jihad and random hooliganism all in the same breath. Anything less is worse than hypocrisy–it is both a crime and a blunder.
Long past time to put a boot in their collective ass.
Does anyone think for one moment former resident OBunghole would have hesitated to sic the Fed dogs on anything that threatened his administration?
I just find it simply amazing that, in light of what happened in Charlottesville, ANTIFA can show up was initially a peaceful rally, prepared to fight. They had helmets, bats, and homemade flame throwers. They were fighting everyone. They were throwing rocks, sticks, bottles at anyone and everyone. They came there looking for a fight.
Yet, because Pres Trump didn’t really, really, really, really, really didn’t condemn the handful of NeoNazi’s that showed up, he’s the bad guy.
I really wish that someone, with the appropriate resources, would do a legitimate investigation as to how ANTIFA/BLM were able to pay for the buses that took them there, the hotel rooms, the food. the $25/hr protesters, and the NeoNazi’s themselves. I’d really like to find out who some of them are. Wouldn’t surprise me if some, if not all, are just disguised ANTIFA brats, trying to stir it up even more.
And, I’d really like someone to investigate the police. Knowing that the ANTIFA/BLM folks were on one side of the park, why did they force the folks that had the permit, out of the park on that side? I’d really like to know if the cops were truly outgunned, as the governor has suggested. I’d really like to know who gave the standdown order, as the commander of the VSP has stated.
And, I’d love to see someone identify the people in the “Unite the Right” documentary, that Vice did. Something tells me that guy with tiki torches aren’t exactly the Right wing nut jobs, the documentary is purporting them to be. Tiki torches? Really?
But, at the end of the day, if any of the answers to these questions leads us to point the finger at anyone, other than the President, it will be swept under the rug and forgotten about or another “event” will take place to make us forget about it.
Not like anything here isn't decades old. No disrespect to our President, but you need someone around you who can identify existing radical groups. Don't need to invent alt-left.
Bad guys on both sides. The role of the Peace Officers is the big issue, IMO. Why did they stand down? Political motivation?
They are not afraid to condemn them. The reason that they don’t condemn them is that are one and the same.
That’s great news! Where did you see that?
Once these Antifa a-holes start experiencing consequences, their numbers will thin out quickly.
Did you see where the DOJ served a warrant on the Internet host for the anti-inauguration website for all the IP addresses of members?
Justice may be slow, but it’s coming.
And regarding the article of this thread? It’s pure bullcrap.
“Groups like West Germany’s Red Army Faction/Baader-Meinhof Gang, America’s Symbionese Liberation Army, Italy’s Red Brigades, Spain’s First of October Anti-Fascist Resistance Groups, Portugal’s FP-25, Action Directe in France and the IRA in Britain were left wing terrorist groups who committed numerous atrocities including targeted killings, bombings, kidnappings and torture on a wide scale.”
Left-wing violence in Europe goes back a lot farther than that; the rise of fascism and Nazism in Europe was directly in response to the threat of communist revolution in many European countries (Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Hungary, Finland, Bulgaria). It was no coincidence that many of these countries were allied with the Axis in WWII; they knew what would happen if the communists won.
May be more like the Nazi brown-shirts.
Definitely bad guys, all around. But the more I hear of this, it just starting to seem a bit too staged to me. All of this seems like the Left getting more and more desperate, in an attempt to flip the apple cart over to full scale chaos, a la Venezuela.
And when I saw a clip about the Vice “documentary” about, Unite the White, something just didn’t seem right about those folks.
For me, walking with tiki torches, just seems a little too, convenient/hipsterish. But, that’s just my humble opinion.
The people forced into the union under the loons in Moscow were not in love with it.
I do not know of any far-right groups of killers. I wonder if the historically-challenged author of this piece can name any?
There is the left. The left organizes itself into violent groups. Whatever they call themselves--socialists, communists, Nazis, Antifa, fascists--they are only different "flavors" of the same underlying leftist ideology. Any member of any of those leftist factions can call any of the other leftist factions "far-right" but that does not make it so. They are all competing for the same followers.
Choosing to support any of those far-left groups is something like choosing which violent street gang to support--Crips? Bloods? M13? They are all worthless thugs.
Spain and Chile you say.
In Spain they're attacking tourists. Tourists are a bad thing, and it's spreading.
Spain UPRISING against tourists: Backlash in Majorca as protests spread to holiday hotspot
Chile, Etiqueta: antifa
I wouldn't write them off, whoever is behind the collection of terrorist groups, as just degenerate drug addicts and queers.
That's how the media is going to play it. He could have gotten out in front of the accusation everyone knew was coming much better.
I think it's more important to get a handle on the level of coordination between the many groups using the Antifa umbrella. It's a threat. Just calling it new-left doesn't cut it.
President Trump doesn't wear the ribbon.
I disagree. Antifa is only a tiny visible bit of the Leftist Deep State. They are protected by the whole Democrat Establishment. As you saw, in any jurisdiction under Democrat control, the police will intervene on the Antifa side.
They were not in love with losing their freedom so how long did it take to indoctrinate their kids? 2 generations?
I caught that too. National SOCIALISTS were in no way, shape or form right wing. Anybody who thinks so is ignoring the facts.
I find the terms “far-left” and “far-right” to be rather useless, and even counterproductive to understanding society or history. Does anyone else here have a problem with these terms?
The biggest problem for me is that it seems to be an attempt to force every political movement onto a continuum, or spectrum - what are the chances that all human endeavors can be organized along a line?
I’ve heard some suggest it’s a circle to explain why both the left and right extremes converge on the same point - violence. A circle seems almost as absurd and oversimplified as a line - what makes people want to reduce human behavior to simple geometry?
I also think there is another problem with using the prefix “far” with right or left. Namely, that it doesn’t seem like “right” and “far-right” have anything in common.
For example, I’d accept it if someone wanted to call me “right” which I’d take to mean I’m a conservative. But “far-right” seems to be an invention of the left, designed to lump me in with violent nazis, fascists and racists. The implication is that I’m also a nazi, fascist and racist, just not as extreme.
That’s totally false - my conservatism has to do with limiting the power and role of government and empowering the individual. How does it figure that if you turn up the intensity dial on my limited government sentiments, I would become more and more violent, fascist and racist? It doesn’t add up.
Come to think of it, you don’t hear “far-left” as much as you hear “far-right”, so maybe I’ve answered my own question: “far-right” is just a term invented by leftists to tarnish the right by creating a false association between limited government conservatives and nazis, fascists and racists.
Same with alt-right - it’s just a leftist invention.
Anyway, the article makes sense up until the writer starts talking about far-right - then it sounds like a nonsensical attempt to create some sort of moral equivalence between constitutional conservatives and statist liberals.
The two have nothing in common - one protects individual liberties and promotes freedom and self determination, and the other promotes a coercive authoritarianism.
I’d be happy if I never heard “far-right” again.
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