5 Things That Will Happen When California Secedes from the U.S.

The American Conservative ^ | August 14, 2017 | Jared Whitley

[Mafe]

Any statistician or economist will tell you there is a huge world of difference between the improbable and the impossible. Brexit and the Trump presidency were both thought to be impossible, but they were proven to simply have been improbable.

And whenever I see an article about the move for California to secede from the United States (the so-called “Cal-exit”), the more I think that a vote to split is inevitable rather than improbable. As a member of the California Freedom Coalition recently told the Sacramento Bee, collecting signatures for the 2018 ballot, “We feel like this current initiative is more feasible and will hold up more to scrutiny and legal challenges.”

It is very easy to get an initiative on the ballot in California, so easy the left-leaning New Republic called it “a joke.” California made Arnold Schwarzenegger its governor. Twice. One might say passage of a secession referendum–even secession itself–might be improbable, rather than impossible, too.

[vooch]

so you believe we live in a tyranny and that’s a good thing ?

[Nero Germanicus]

No, I take it seriously when I put my hand over my heart and profess “...one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”
I have no problem with any state bringing a new appeal on secession before the Supreme Court to see if the current court is of a mind to overturn Texas v White.

[Political Junkie Too]

This was decided in 1865, as I recall.

I'd say that what was decided was a state's unilateral decision to secede.

The author states:

"University of Virginia law school professor Cynthia Nicoletti told Business Insider, “There’s no legal path to secession.” Others point out that it would likely take a Constitutional Convention and ratification..."

I believe that there is a legal path that is far short of a proposing convention. It would be perfectly constitutional for Congress to pass a bill proposing an amendment to the Constitution that grants California's request to leave the Union. Then California would need 38 states to concur, and they're out.

I would not support Congress proposing a process of secession in a new amendment, as that would become an open door for all sorts of political havoc, with states feigning the secession process for simple legislative leverage. Instead, the precedent should be set that a state wishing to leave asks their delegation in Congress to propose an amendment requesting only that state's desire to leave, and then they lobby the remaining states in the union for concurrence.

-PJ

[Yaelle]

#5 is awesome! Wait til we can sell everything and move elsewhere, then I’m good!

It is true that with its Gd given resources, CA would be too good to fail. You have to be enormously bad and suicidally collectivist to F this state up. But the leftists have done so.

[vooch]

so you believe our union is involuntary and to hell with consent of the governed

kinda like the mob - the only way out is via death.

tyranny is this

[Nero Germanicus]

So you don’t believe in one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all? I’m sorry to hear that.
California is a state with Initiative and Referendum. That’s as close to direct democracy as we get in America. The people can bypass the legislature and put secession on the ballot for popular referendum. I just don’t think it has much of a chance in a state that gave 62% of its votes to Hillary Clinton.

[vooch]

I believe all political associations should be voluntary. Involuntary equals tyranny.

If a majority of Californians wish to leave the Union, it’s only decent to let them leave. ( of course they get to take their share of national debt & federal property remains federal unless otherwise negotiated )

Political associations are not sacred & holy beings. Do not equate the government with something sacred.

[MrKatykelly]

So true, dead on!

[joegoeny]

Yes but under the old tax law massive homes and state taxes were subsidized by mortgage interest and state tax deductions...California has some of the most expensive taxes and real estate in the country.