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The bill for treating a gunshot wound: $21,000 for the first 35 minutes
The Chicago Tribune ^ | 7-21-17 | Jennifer Smith Richards, Annie Sweeney and Jason Meisner

Posted on 07/24/2017 6:05:17 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

The charges started racking up the moment Annette Johnson arrived at Mount Sinai Hospital with a gunshot wound to her left forearm.

Doctors sliced open Johnson's arm and installed a $500 metal plate to shore up her shattered ulna, securing it with numerous bone screws that cost $246 apiece. There were morphine drips to quell pain, tetanus shots to prevent infection, blood screens and anesthesia.

Two years earlier in a different part of the city, Leo Leyva arrived at a North Side hospital with a gunshot wound to his back. His last memory before going under anesthesia was a nurse telling him they were going to take good care of him and to count up to 10.

As the 18-year-old drifted off, the emergency room team at Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center went to work to save his life, starting IV lines and X-raying his chest and abdomen before performing an emergency surgery to remove the bullet and repair the damage.

For both Johnson and Leyva, just two of the thousands of gunshot victims in Chicago every year, the first hours and days of their hospital treatment were only the start of what would be costly recoveries that continue to this day.

Still, the bills for their initial treatment were staggering. In his first 35 minutes at the hospital, Leyva had racked up $21,521 in charges, and by the time he was released three weeks later the bill totaled more than $157,000. For Johnson, who spent barely 24 hours at Mount Sinai, the hospital charges approached $27,000.

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KEYWORDS: health; medicaid; medicare
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To: afraidfortherepublic

They don’t call the first 60 minutes after a major trauma “The Golden Hour” for nuthin’


41 posted on 07/24/2017 7:20:29 AM PDT by null and void (This is how socialists work: Erase the past, Bankrupt the present, Steal from the future.)
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To: chris37
chris37 :" And I’ll wager that the hospital dropped 70% of those inflated charges right off the bat.
They charge that much money because of insurance.
Total racket."

And thst is why many insurance companies are buying up hospitals
and making them privately run as a 'non-profit'
since any profit can be returned to the share-holders to continue its non-profit status
Anywhere else, this would be called a 'money-laundering organization'.

42 posted on 07/24/2017 7:22:18 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (The Fourth Estate has become Fifth column !)
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To: Nifster

Well, so are roads and bridges and sewers and electricity and a whole list of things but they don’t get provided with a license to steal.

Abusive and confiscatory pricing.

I’ll also remind you that much of the medical training system is heavily subsidized by the public because the public needs it.

Hotshot.


43 posted on 07/24/2017 7:27:54 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: from occupied ga

Mostly disposable so it can’t be worth much. Why would anyone be so stupid to throw away something that can be sterilized and reused?

One reason. They aren’t paying for it and cost is no object.


44 posted on 07/24/2017 7:29:48 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
“In our world of infinite wants but finite resources, there are only two ways to allocate any good or service: either through prices and the choices of millions of individuals, or through central government planning and political discretion. This choice is inexorable. Stripped of its romantic illusions, ObamaCare is really about who commands the country’s medical resources. . . .”

J. Regos /WSJ
Sadly gone.

Yeah, and he died the very day he was scheduled to talk to a Russian about the clintons.

Nothing to see here, move along...

45 posted on 07/24/2017 7:30:39 AM PDT by null and void (This is how socialists work: Erase the past, Bankrupt the present, Steal from the future.)
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To: Nifster

Yeah, well duh.

You must be a doctor because you think everyone else is just stupid.


46 posted on 07/24/2017 7:31:58 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: BBB333

25k for a broken leg? Was it a compound fracture? Theres no way a simple break runs to those kind of numbers.


47 posted on 07/24/2017 7:54:23 AM PDT by wiggen (#JeSuisCharlie)
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To: free_life

Yeah, it’s an interesting to observe.

Since I pay out of pocket for health expenses, I use Pro-Health for my lab work which i get done every 6 months. They submit the blood to Quest labs, and the charge for my work is around 145$.

I thought that was high, so I complained to my doctor and asked how much would the same work be at his lab in the hospital. he said as much as 800% higher, and that they are not allowed to negotiate down with Quest as Pro-health is.

My mom has to have one of her legs wrapped in order to prevent her lymphedema from causing weeping wounds. When she went to the wound center to have this dressing applied, they charged her 900$ per wrap + the cost of the visit. Medicare was billed for this, she had to pay the co-pay.

That same wrap, which consists of 3 wraps, can be bought multiple times over for under 100 dollars on the internet, and I apply it for free.


48 posted on 07/24/2017 8:03:45 AM PDT by chris37 (Donald J. Trump, Tom Brady, The Patriots... American Destiny!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The difficulty with all US medical charges is that there is the list price and the real price paid by the insurance company who negotiates rates. A relative has an ER visit for which the list price was over $11,000. The insurance company paid less than $1,000.

I looked at the bills and wondered about the person who just wants to pay cash. I bet they don't get the negotiated rate.

49 posted on 07/24/2017 8:11:48 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“Their insurance was mostly Medicaid.”

Medicaid isn’t insurance. It’s taxpayer funded welfare.

L


50 posted on 07/24/2017 9:13:44 AM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

$21,000 for the first 35 minutes?

So what was the bill for the rest of the hospital stay? 350K A million?


51 posted on 07/24/2017 9:29:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
he was released three weeks later the bill totaled more than $157,000.

That should only take um 10 years to pay off. Sounds reasonable.

52 posted on 07/24/2017 9:31:04 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Many years ago, my daughter had an emergency appendectomy. Not long after which, I accused the hospital of having the surgery at the civic auditorium. They looked at me perplexed, then I told them their operating room wasn’t big enough to hold all the people sending me invoices.


53 posted on 07/24/2017 9:34:55 AM PDT by umgud
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To: Sequoyah101
Why is it not criminal to sell screws for $242 each?

Just a guess, but it probably takes a long time and many $$$ to get the screws approved for medical use in the first place. Then you divide the costs by the number of screws you can sell and add a hefty profit...

54 posted on 07/24/2017 10:13:09 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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To: ilovesarah2012; DungeonMaster
Medical costs are a joke. And how did they arrive at that price?

Through decades of health care consumers paying for everything with other people's money and thus, caring not one bit about the price. (Who cares what it costs? I'm worth every penny!)

Much the same thing is happening to college tuition.

A few months ago ... I called my local ortho doctors group ... for a price.

Wow, someone who calls for a price? I bet they all had a good laugh.

55 posted on 07/24/2017 11:14:31 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: Moltke; Sequoyah101
> Why is it not criminal to sell screws for $242 each?

Just a guess, but it probably takes a long time and many $$$ to get the screws approved for medical use in the first place. Then you divide the costs by the number of screws you can sell and add a hefty profit...

And, the lawyers. Never forget the ambulance-chasers and class-action lawyers.

56 posted on 07/24/2017 11:18:11 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson, 1824)
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To: Lurker

Well.....the costs are so high because the hospital is trying to recoup losses for other uninsured or deadbeat patients.


57 posted on 07/24/2017 11:45:31 AM PDT by gundog (Hail to the Chief, bitches.)
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To: Rockingham

I’m thinking of joining a Christian health sharing thing instead of insurance. But then I wouldn’t get the “negotiated” rate that my insurance company gets them down to. A moot point though - my insurance company won’t cover me as an individual anymore after being with them for 15+ years.


58 posted on 07/24/2017 11:52:44 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: newgeezer

But that’s the thing. There are apparently no definite prices for treatment.


59 posted on 07/24/2017 11:58:14 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: gundog

Cost shifting.

L


60 posted on 07/24/2017 11:58:53 AM PDT by Lurker (America burned the witch.)
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