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Posted on 06/21/2017 6:34:42 AM PDT by cll
>>Jeez, if people would just read before offering a visceral reaction.<<
I read it. What is your point?
I’m just saying it makes no sense to come up with a territorial definition where the citizens are not treated equal to the citizens of the 50 states. The “citizens” in those territories are subject to the same laws and regulations as the 50 states. It just sounds like the rules are arbitrary and the citizens in those territories are treated as less than citizens. Why call them citizens if they can’t vote for president and other congressional seats like people in the other 50 states?
If the idea is that they’re not really citizens and not real Americans, then, cut all of them loose, in all of the territories. I highly doubt that any member of congress would want P.R. or Guam or any other “territory” to be cut loose, but let’s stop the hypocrisy.
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You make some good points. I think what we see is a legal status of American possessions which are not states, which just evolved, with no thought to legal rights of people living in those jurisdictions.
There are as many or more Puert Rican names on the Vietnam Wall as there are from many of our states in the west and northeast.
They have bled and died for our country.
There are 9 Puerro Rican Medal of honor winners in America’s wars.
They are our brothers in arms.
Common sense would say NO. PR, go pound sand. You messed yourself up, we don't have the obligation to bail you out to our own detriment.
Couldn’t you say the same thing for all other legal aliens?
(Germans, Italians, Brits, etcetera?)Many of them sacrificed
their lives for this country too.
No way there are numbers of overseas volunteers to fill pages of names on Viet wall. More than Vermont, New Hampshire, Montana, ND, SD, etc.
AND they died AS US citizens.
Sure. We could use another bankrupt Democrat state.
Sir, I didn’t say any thing about “over-seas volunteers”
I mentioned “legal aliens” residing here in the U.S.A.
I guarentee there are way more resedent legal aliens that died in service to U.S.A. than the nine Puerto Rican nationals.
You said foreign nationals and we do enlist foreigners from our overseas locations. I’ve seen it.
However, I wasn’t addressing just the 9 Medal of Honor winners, but also the multiple hundreds who made the ultimate sacrifice and whose names are on the Vietnam wall and the thousands total who died for their country— this country, for they are US citizens — in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, and Afganistan.
I love your thinking. If only California could drop out of America as well as Illinois!
That you cannot speculate on what would island Puerto Rican voting trends would be in a new state based on mainland Hispanic voting trends. Two different animals. Puerto Ricans are socially conservative, even if fiscally liberal in some ways. Puerto Rico would be a battleground state. We have no tradition of Republican vs. Democrat voting here. Not even conservative vs. liberal. Voters are aligned here in different ways. It would be up to each party to educate and harvest those votes in the future.
PR has lots of cocaine, and it is cheap.
Not really a selling point, but that is what they bring to the table.
Because US Citizens of any kind do not vote in Presidential elections. STATES vote in Presidential elections. PR is not a State. Nor are any other territories. That's why Statehood is a big deal.
PR is not a state, SECONDLY, more Puert Rican names on the Vietnam Wall HAHAHAHAH
“DC is awarded 3 electoral votes without being a state for other purposes. I don’t see why, say, Guam and the Pacific Islands couldn’t be lumped together and allowed to vote, and similarly Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands, without becoming a state for other purposes.”
Because a Constitutional amendment (the 23rd amendment) had to be passed to allow residents of DC to get those electoral votes. If you want to start a campaign to pass a similar amendment for Puerto Rico, Guam, etc, then go for it, otherwise it’s not going to happen short of statehood.
They already bring it to CONUS and they still can’t make ends meet.
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