Posted on 06/11/2017 5:15:18 AM PDT by central_va
January 1, 2010: By this date there would be complete ban on the production and import of R22 and R142b. However, there is exception for the on-going servicing needs of the existing plants and equipment.
January 1, 2015: By this date there would be ban on the sale and use of R22. There is exception for certain cases, including the serving needs of the existing refrigeration and air conditioning equipment.
January 1, 2020: By this date there would complete ban on the production and import of R22 refrigerant. The gas would not be available even for servicing of the existing plants.
After January 2020, the refrigeration and the air conditioning systems using R22 would have to depend on the stockpile of the refrigerant available with them. One just can’t really predict till when R22 would be available after the January 2020 deadline. It may also be available till the expiry of the equipment, but it would be surely lot more expensive. The owners of these equipment would have to either switch to the new alternative refrigerant or bear the costs of the highly expensive refrigerant R22 at that time or they may have to totally shutdown the equipment.
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“It takes government regulation to so thoroughly screw things up.”.......
Nothing new there. Might be time to look at all those unnecessary regulations and eliminate them and the
naysayers along with them.
We had an old ac unit that set at 78 would keep me perfectly cool. It finally quit working and we had it replaced. We have to keep the thermostat set at 76 now to keep the same cool. 78 is just too darn hot.
Have you heard that from anyone else?
Was the conversion expensive?
I’d be talking to someone else.
Not just breaking the law, but a fool to waste that much money.
“... not to mention some of the replacement refrigerants are more toxic than the old refrigerants.”
And more dangerous to handle.
Although I'm not sure I think my unit might be 30+ years old.I've always assumed that it's not as energy efficient as more recent units but I've been willing to live with that.
But with this R22 business do any of you experts out there know if this means that I'll be forced to replace the unit?
“Not just breaking the law, but a fool to waste that much money.”
30 years ago, it was perfectly legal...and almost certainly done regularly (before capture equipment). If recently, you’re right - but you do need a lot of empty drums to store it in.
Seems like there might be different reasons for doing this & it all probably relates to some made-up governmental malarkey that serves to fill someone’s pocket with money. I remember back when automotive A/C units all used R-12 which was probably the best refrigerant we had. When they phased it out,the price of it went much higher,but also the price of the replacement R-134. I have to believe there is something else at play here beside just the need to have safer refrigerants & government makes the rules.....
Here’s some info:
https://www.chemours.com/ISCEON/en_US/products/R22_retrofits_during_service_calls.html
I’ve got a system I need to get at and replace. Honestly, R-22 systems are probably due and there’s probably an energy payback.
You aren’t kidding. The small tanks and equipment using freon to very effectively clean circuits boards were replaced by monstrosities that required their own room, loads of hazards and didn’t do the job nearly as well. Later, the soldering materials went through changes to try and adapt to these issues. All for what I viewed as a HUGE waste of money, resources, and quality for distorted conclusions that met the greenies’ agenda.
Oh, yeah, we used warmed up R-22 jugs to blow out coils back when. The 30 pound jugs were cheap back then.
I went all in on DDC controls about the time the reclaim equipment came on the scene. Haven't really kept up on refrigeration since.
Just changed out my 22 y.o. Rheem unit. Went with a 3.5 ton unit with a 4 ton air handler. Cost 2200. Live in Florida air doesn’t run 15 to 20 days a year
Hey, if it worked once.........
Yes,
I am responsible for over 115 R22 5Tn Split and Package units. I tried to convince my company to begin a staged replacement to R410a units a few years back to avoid the inevitable 1.4 mil redo. No balls, they told me to replace as needed. We’re way behind. Our units are pushing 20 yrs, and in Arizona, that’s a feat for commercial units. We’re gonna get whacked. If I were you, I’d get those capital dollars set aside.
ManBearPig is the one who ram rodded this governmental largess upon us. Of course there were errors. its the same data they use today to spin the climate control machine.
Probly pick up a can of R-12 for a few bananas in the lower Congo today, but tnot in the United States! I bet you can find some in Mexico. Too bad the illegals arent smuggling it into the states like pot and guns and infant children.
We would all be chilling!
Had a friend who had a new home built with a whole house fan. He was showing it off to a co-worker the winter he moved in. The co-worker asked, “What’s this?”, referring to the timer switch on the wall. My dumb friend says, “Let me show you.”, and turned on the fan. As it was winter, there were no open windows or doors. The only opening was the fireplace, which was full of ashes. At least there wasn’t a fire, but the white carpet took a beating.
Oh, we,definitely are. This guy did our neighbors, including changing their return ducts! I couldn’t believe it.
Funny thing is, this housemate was built in 1952 with zero insulation anywhere and incredibly leaky steel frame windows. We’ve insulated everything, new windows, and sealed leaks. So JT eneating and cooling load is far below what it was when the house was new. The ducts at the time were sized to handle the heating load airflow and no AC in an uninsulated drafty house.
I’m not buying what they are selling.
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