Posted on 06/11/2017 5:15:18 AM PDT by central_va
January 1, 2010: By this date there would be complete ban on the production and import of R22 and R142b. However, there is exception for the on-going servicing needs of the existing plants and equipment.
January 1, 2015: By this date there would be ban on the sale and use of R22. There is exception for certain cases, including the serving needs of the existing refrigeration and air conditioning equipment.
January 1, 2020: By this date there would complete ban on the production and import of R22 refrigerant. The gas would not be available even for servicing of the existing plants.
After January 2020, the refrigeration and the air conditioning systems using R22 would have to depend on the stockpile of the refrigerant available with them. One just can’t really predict till when R22 would be available after the January 2020 deadline. It may also be available till the expiry of the equipment, but it would be surely lot more expensive. The owners of these equipment would have to either switch to the new alternative refrigerant or bear the costs of the highly expensive refrigerant R22 at that time or they may have to totally shutdown the equipment.
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This is like cash for clunker but A/C style. I have a R-22 unit that is perfectly fine but it leaks about a pound of Freon every three years. So one day I will be forced to replace it when it is perfectly fine or perhaps(If I am lucky) to pay some exorbitant price for Freon. It will coat me over $5,000 when $10.00 of Freon would have fixed the issue.
... not to mention some of the replacement refrigerants are more toxic than the old refrigerants.
It takes government regulation to so thoroughly screw things up.
I read an article a few years ago that claimed the environmental impact of R-22 was very exaggerated because those who calculated it’s effects had a math error in their formula.
My AC works fine using MO-99 replacement for R-22.
FMR-22DH!
This is a another casualty of the environmental lunatics. Furthermore, I understand that the replacement gas is a less efficient coolant, which means any energy savings will have to come from equipment advances. It also means that existing equipment will likely not be modifiable to use the new gas so you will need a whole new system. R-22 is already astronomically priced.
It is a little bit of a colder gas and it puts less stress on the compressors.
I despise nanny state/blind power-mad control freak bureaucrats.
Also of the holders of intellectual property rights in the refrigerant. DuPont has a vested interest in banning refrigerants that are not protected by DuPont patent rights.
Buy 20 pounds of it now and you will be good.
I read that R22 is the second most smuggled item from Mexico into the US. I think it is still being produced there. Not sure.
We just got a quote,to replace,our 33 year old Lennox central AC. We don’t run it much here in the SF Bay Area...maybe 15 to 20 days per year.
The HVAC company says the lower delta-T over the coil requires higher airflow for the same cooling load and we need to replace our return ducts in the crawl space as well as enlarge the two return air registers.
Anybody else heard this? We have some big problems replacing the return ducts.
A couple of months ago I had my old R22 outdoor AC unit replaced with a new R422 unit. The original R22 indoor coil didn’t need to be replaced either. However, the whole system needed to be purged of R22 (and whatever other fluids are in there) before hooking up the new R422 unit.
So, that said, R422 is compatible with R22 systems...
You could replace "R-22" with the vast bulk of the scare topics in the Environmentalist's agenda, and the sentence would still be correct. I suspect it is not a "math error", but rather an intentional mathematic sleigh of hand.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I work in the trade (service sales) and the old timer techs tell me about the new freon is not as efficient, 10 to 13 percent less efficient. That means the coal burning power generators work that much harder. This is important as 40-50 percent of a commercial building power usage is for the HVAC.
The industry itself has been responsive in being responsible. A long time ago, the techs would use an open barrel of the R22 to clean their tools. Refrigerant leaks are also taken care of faster.
I believe the idea of chlorine based refrigerants eating away at the ozone hole is the original environmental myth. Once govt paid scientist figured they could dupe the public on this lie, then came global warming.
The last time I had to get some R22 (back in 2014) it was $108 for a pound. I don’t think I want to know how much it is now.
If you live in an older house that originally only had central heating the ducts might be too small. Otherwise I would think you’d be okay. Since you don’t use the a/c that much, you might consider putting in a mini-split system.
Just another money making scam to use useless environmental whiners as a pawn make millions.
I saw a guy cut the refrigerant line and dump about 200 pounds of R22 to remove an air conditioning system.
“””... lower delta-T over the coil requires higher airflow for the same cooling load and we need to replace our return ducts...”””
That sounds counterintuitive. More air will absorb the cooling making the system run more. There has to be a balance. I may be presenting this wrong but it doesn’t make sense to me. Are they planning to change the blower to pull more air?
I think and entire generation is lost to the knowledge of attic fans for those in single, detached homes.
They’re a great way to cut back on wear and tear on your AC unit(s).
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