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The U.S. Can’t Leave the Paris Climate Deal Just Yet
New York Times ^ | June 7, 2017 | By BRAD PLUMER

Posted on 06/07/2017 1:23:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Last week, President Trump announced that the United States would withdraw from the Paris climate agreement. But it will take more than one speech to pull out: Under the rules of the deal, which the White House says it will follow, the earliest any country can leave is Nov. 4, 2020. That means the United States will remain a party to the accord for nearly all of Mr. Trump’s current term, and it could still try to influence the climate talks during that span.

So the next four years will be a busy time for climate policy. Mr. Trump’s aides plan to keep working to dismantle domestic climate programs like the Clean Power Plan. And the world’s nations will meet regularly to hash out details of the Paris agreement, even as the United States’ exit looms. Here is what comes next.

November 2017

Negotiators for 195 nations will meet in Bonn, Germany, to discuss how to carry out the Paris agreement. Every country has already submitted an initial pledge for curbing greenhouse gas emissions. But officials now have to write rules for monitoring and verifying those pledges.

Technically, the United States is still the co-chair of a key committee on transparency measures. In the past, American officials have taken a keen interest in this topic, pushing for robust oversight of emissions. By contrast, countries like China have argued for looser scrutiny for developing nations.

“The question is whether the Trump administration still shows up for those discussions,” said Andrew Light, a senior climate change adviser at the State Department under President Barack Obama. “If they really are pushing to ‘renegotiate’ the deal, as they say, I don’t see why they wouldn’t go.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fakenews; fakescience; globalism; globalwarming; hoax; noparisaccords; nyts; socialism; trumpclimatechange
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, whether the “International Community” considers us part of the agreement until then, or not, matters very little.

Because we will not contribute, report on or adhere to ANY of it’s structure or demands.


21 posted on 06/07/2017 1:42:08 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Sorry - but one “President’s rules” have no binding mechanism on the next President - no formal ratification = no compulsion for compliance. They can “deem” Trump as still in, but the effect is the same....


22 posted on 06/07/2017 1:43:08 PM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The rest of the word calls it a treaty and there were mechanisms for getting out of it.
HOWEVER, the USA never ratified it. We are not bound by it. The whole world is very familiar with what it takes for America to be bound by a treaty. It is nothing more than an Obama promise and we can walk away cold turkey.
We are not obligated in any way to remain in it.

But nice try.


23 posted on 06/07/2017 1:43:09 PM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Settled science from the Marxist organ of truth!


24 posted on 06/07/2017 1:43:46 PM PDT by Herakles (Diversity is a globalist scam for power!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Did the Senate ratify a treaty or did the former executive make deal? One is binding the is not. Pull out not Mr. President!


25 posted on 06/07/2017 1:44:00 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Obama never submitted the Paris scheme to the Senate to confirm so we were never in it.


26 posted on 06/07/2017 1:45:15 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation has ended!)
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To: thesharkboy

We have nuclear weapons. We can walk whenever we want.


27 posted on 06/07/2017 1:46:59 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: thesharkboy

This is such B.S.

The president goes and signs an “agreement” not a congressionally approved treaty, that forces the country to spend 10’s of billions per year in marxist redistribution to people who hate us. The Constitution does not give the President the power of the purse. Trump should just tweet - “Naaaahh. We’re out. What’s for lunch”


28 posted on 06/07/2017 1:47:45 PM PDT by epluribus_2 (he had the best mom - ever.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why? Why follow a non-ratified treaty that you have promised not to be part of?


29 posted on 06/07/2017 1:49:25 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

It’s the NYT. Ignore


30 posted on 06/07/2017 1:50:30 PM PDT by Chgogal (I will NOT submit, therefore, Jihadists hate me.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Sorry, but the real question is did President Obama have the authority to enter into this Sole Executive agreement. If the answer is no, then the agreement is null and void.

Pawned!

31 posted on 06/07/2017 1:58:11 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Leaving” is different from not showing up!


32 posted on 06/07/2017 2:00:51 PM PDT by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

These countries won the lottery and they want the US to pay up,LOL


33 posted on 06/07/2017 2:01:24 PM PDT by butlerweave
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I don’t think the ‘fake news’ label is sufficient here.

* the US cannot leave a non-binding deal (also not ratified by congress)
* the US cannot leave a deal where NO other country has paid $1 of their commitment to date or has plans to meet their stated CO2 reduction commitments
* Obama had no plans to meet the commitment he made but Ds want to bind the next president to the commitment without a technically feasible path (except planed blackouts in much of the country every hour of the day)
* even if Paris commitments to date are met it won’t come close to reaching the Paris target for CO2
* even if the Paris target is met there will be no significant change to future climate

The entire story is pure (bad) fiction - Hitchcock, Wells, & Asimov could not get together and make it a believable story even with advise from today’s best fictional BS’er, Elon Must. This is more of a Lewis Carroll book, but Gore, Musk, and others have actually convinced 1/2 the country to get in line to be the next to go down the rabbit hole into a fantasy world.


34 posted on 06/07/2017 2:03:50 PM PDT by LostPassword
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

They are banking on a democtrat being elected in 2020.

Then they can claim that President Trump’s resignation hasn’t become effective yet and making it easy for a democrat president to restore our membership.

Probably with a good faith contribution from the US of another few billion dollars.


35 posted on 06/07/2017 2:04:10 PM PDT by Vlad The Inhaler (Best Long Term Prepper Tactic: Beat The Muslim Demographic Tsnami - Have Big Families)
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To: thesharkboy
"Are we, or are we not, a sovereign nation?

It's more likely the NYT is one of the fifth-column leftist media traitors.

36 posted on 06/07/2017 2:04:42 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The U.S. Can’t Leave the Paris Climate Deal Just Yet

Really?
Just watch...

You and what army has stopped us?

37 posted on 06/07/2017 2:09:46 PM PDT by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
“The question is whether the Trump administration still shows up for those discussions,” said Andrew Light, a senior climate change adviser at the State Department under President Barack Obama.K

Well, now Hillary is in the home, Obama is in parts unknown, and light-in-the-loafers is a nothing, so he/she/it can piss off!

38 posted on 06/07/2017 2:15:10 PM PDT by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Ummmmmm...yes. We can.


39 posted on 06/07/2017 2:16:30 PM PDT by rlmorel (Liberals are in a state of constant cognitive dissonance, which explains their mental instability.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Leave or stay, call it what you want... but not one more penny for these f*ers.


40 posted on 06/07/2017 2:19:06 PM PDT by samtheman (Trump++)
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