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To: Windflier

You’re missing the whole point.

Who is our biggest enemy in this nation. Russia? China? The fools on Capital Hill and in the White House?

Do you think for two seconds Obama wouldn’t have called air-strikes on Conservatives if we had taken to the streets in a militaristic way?

Our government executes airstrikes from around the world on an almost daily, if not daily basis.

What I am trying to convey, is that the time has come when it’s essentially impossible to use our weapons to affect change. How do you stop the attacks from 50,000 feet, when it’s your own guys doing it?

As for me being a part of the surrender lobby, as a leader there are times when you have to caution your folks from walking into a complete suicide mission.


116 posted on 05/24/2017 8:27:39 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Happy days are here again!)
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To: DoughtyOne
How do you stop the attacks from 50,000 feet, when it’s your own guys doing it?

American service members are not going to drop bombs on their own fellow citizens. They'd kill the guy issuing that order, first.

If the military were such unthinking automatons, Obama would have already used them to overthrow the country.

JimRob is a Navy vet. Why don't you ask him if he would have ever fired on Americans if ordered to do so? How about asking the rest of the vets here, or active duty Freepers? Your assertion is paranoid and ridiculous, Doughty.

117 posted on 05/24/2017 8:52:29 AM PDT by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: DoughtyOne
What I am trying to convey, is that the time has come when it’s essentially impossible to use our weapons to affect change.

I have to disagree, Doughty. I think you're selling the American People short, as well as the US Military.

If a cause is seen as just by enough of the People, they will not support the slaughter of their fellow citizens by the US Armed forces.

The incidents you cite—Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.—actually undermine your thesis. Yes, there was not much outcry from the citizenry in general. But that was precisely because the "cause"—at least in the more publicized Waco incident—wasn't seen as sufficiently just.

I fully agree that some kind of armed march would be inadvisable except in the most dire circumstances, but if those circumstances do arise, then the critical mass could very well support the "rebels", and certainly could be enough to prevent US armed forces from killing their fellow Americans.

Fortunately, we know that's not a risk as long as President Trump is in office.

I understand your awe regarding our military capability, but using that against a general uprising of the citizenry is magnitudes beyond the way it was used against an isolated, marginalized group (Waco).

As we know from the Revolution, once you get to about 35% percent or so of the population being energetically engaged in a righteous cause, it's impossible for such a motivated group to be effectively marginalized.

Despite the fact that it has been suppressed over the decades, there is still a healthy level of rebelliousness in the average American's heart. There will always be that 1/3 who are pro-Tyranny, but there's simply no way that Americans can—for instance—look at the Media nowadays and place any trust in it whatsoever. It has become such a blatant arm of the Swamp that it just cannot be denied any longer.

Once the People come to realizations like that, all bets are off as to how "suicidal" armed resistance might be...

129 posted on 05/24/2017 10:40:14 AM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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