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1 posted on 05/01/2017 3:39:29 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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2 posted on 05/01/2017 3:41:03 PM PDT by MustKnowHistory
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The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery.

No, slavery had nothing to do with the war until it was nearly over.
3 posted on 05/01/2017 3:41:56 PM PDT by Sopater (Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? - Matthew 20:15a)
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The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery.

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The war was caused by secession. The big issue was slavery.


4 posted on 05/01/2017 3:42:26 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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“The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery.”

Really? That’s why the Union invaded Kentucky, right?

(/duh)


5 posted on 05/01/2017 3:42:37 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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cue stupid and historically inaccurate discussions everywhere.

I guess people now think the Civil War was a good thing.


7 posted on 05/01/2017 3:44:29 PM PDT by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery.

I will respectfully disagree with the author’s statement. Slavery was already dying and on its way out. The war was about States Rights...and had nothing to do with slavery until Lincoln threw that in. It is called the “War of Northern Aggression” for a reason in the South.....red


8 posted on 05/01/2017 3:44:36 PM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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if Obama can pander to Islamic terrorists, Trump can pander to Civil War re-enacters.


9 posted on 05/01/2017 3:46:53 PM PDT by ErikJohnsky
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Headline should be: Trump stirs debate among uneducated in remarks on American Civil War.

The President was referring to President Andrew Jackson's handling of the Nullification Crisis.

ML/NJ

12 posted on 05/01/2017 3:48:44 PM PDT by ml/nj
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The Civil War ended slavery, killed states rights and created a nations of tax serfs ruled by DC.


14 posted on 05/01/2017 3:52:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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I like president Trump a lot, but he needs to stay in his lane. He's not a 19th Century American History Scholar.
17 posted on 05/01/2017 3:53:38 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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The older I get, the more I realize that any result of the Civil War was not worth the loss of 600,000 men killed and millions maimed and wounded.

But by the time the first shots are fired, all rational thought has flown out the window.

It seems every generation has to relearn the lessons of war.


18 posted on 05/01/2017 3:54:44 PM PDT by exit82 (The opposition has already been Trumped!)
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There is a lot of information on the whole subject to be found at
www.institute.org


20 posted on 05/01/2017 3:55:30 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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The 1861-65 Civil War between the northern and southern states was principally caused by slavery

Bullshite

22 posted on 05/01/2017 3:59:56 PM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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We should have picked our own cotton.


24 posted on 05/01/2017 4:02:31 PM PDT by umgud
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“Trump stirs debate”

translation:

“Maybe this is something we can use against him.”


27 posted on 05/01/2017 4:05:15 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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“principally caused by slavery.”

OMG. Typical demagoguery.

And don’t the Brits love to push it.


57 posted on 05/01/2017 4:31:45 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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If the conflict was over slavery, why didn’t Congress and Lincoln pass a law making it illegal?

Because it wasn’t over slavery and the north, including DC, had many slaves. The war of Northern Agression was fought because the Confederate States wanted out of the United States.


60 posted on 05/01/2017 4:42:47 PM PDT by Vic S
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Slaves caused The Civil War. I knew it.


66 posted on 05/01/2017 4:58:57 PM PDT by jmacusa (Dad may be in charge but mom knows whats going on.)
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In a radio interview, he suggested the conflict might have been avoided if President Andrew Jackson had still been in office.

Well, Andy certainly opposed nullification, so he would have opposed secession too. Still, I'm not a big Jackson fan since he founded the party that has become "the never-ending source of all our national afflictions." And Jacksonian Dems were every bit as crooked as their modern descendants.

Of course, Jackson would have been in his nineties and beginning his eighth consecutive term by the time the Civil War happened (and he died in 1845), so I have no idea where Trump is going with this.

76 posted on 05/01/2017 5:37:19 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Viriycho sogeret umesuggeret mipnei Benei Yisra'el; 'ein yotze' ve'ein ba'.)
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(Here is some interesting context.)

On April 7, 1798, the fifth Congress passed an act that imposed a three hundred dollar per slave penalty on persons convicted of performing the illegal importation of slaves. It was an indication of the type of behavior and course of events soon to become commonplace in the Congress. In the Slave Trade Act of 1800, Congress outlawed U.S. citizens’ investment in the trade, and the employment of U.S. citizens on foreign vessels involved in the trade.

The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.

However, it was not always well enforced and slaves continued to be imported in *limited* numbers.

This meant that by the time of the American Civil War, in 1861, there were almost no originally imported slaves left, only their descent. That is, children born into slavery.

So the way to end domestic slavery should have been through a process of gradualism, a “phasing out” of slavery. So how could this be accomplished?

1) Taxation. Gradually make slave owning prohibitively expensive. Establishing high slave transfer taxes as well.

2) Require better and better living conditions for the slaves, to include schooling for children, mandatory instruction in Christianity along with weekly church attendance, etc. All very slowly.

3) By 1816, the American Colonization Society supported the migration of free African Americans to the continent of Africa. It helped to found the colony of Liberia in 1821–22 on the coast of West Africa as a place for free-born American blacks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society

The southern states and slaveholders could have been offered many incentives to encourage slaveholders to eventually manumit (free) their slaves on condition they be transported back to Africa, and thus not become public charges. Done over the course of 50-75 years, slavery would have diminished to just a shadow of its former self.

Granted all of this would have taken a lot of time, but it might have removed so much of the core reasons for the Civil War that it wouldn’t have happened.


84 posted on 05/01/2017 5:50:47 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Leftists aren't fascists. They are "democratic fascists", a completely different thing.)
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