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To: HiTech RedNeck
The licensing board did not fine him for rendering an opinion. They fined him for calling himself an "engineer" during the course of rendering an opinion -- which is a violation of the state laws or regulations governing the practice of engineering.

That's why this may not really be a free speech issue at all. It's all going to be decided based on the letter of the law in Oregon, and I can tell you that state licensing boards are getting much more strict about these things because of situations like this.

It's like anybody may argue in a court for his very own case — lawyer or not.

That's true. But that doesn't mean you can render a legal opinion in any court case.

70 posted on 04/27/2017 5:29:06 PM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

Where is your evidence? Are you assuming that the board did not infer a claim to be an Engineer from his discourse on engineering?
Yes this is free speech. The right sense of engineer needed to be understood.


74 posted on 04/27/2017 5:37:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child

And you distort. He offered logic. Not an “opinion.”

You are supporting Kafka.


76 posted on 04/27/2017 5:40:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Alberta's Child
The licensing board did not fine him for rendering an opinion. They fined him for calling himself an "engineer" during the course of rendering an opinion -- which is a violation of the state laws or regulations governing the practice of engineering.

But he is an engineer... he was granted a degree in engineering. Just because the state has not licensed him in a specific field of engineering is irrelevant. What he did was pure statistical analysis which anyone trained in mathematics could have done. PRACTICING engineering is when one puts one's expertise on a plan or a design that certifies something the state requires be certified. Just doing a study of the timing of any obvious fact, such as the intervals of traffic lights to report on that timing is NOT DOING ENGINEERING because he is NOT DESIGNING IT OR EFFECTING THAT TIMING. He is merely analyzing existing facts that anyone with sufficient smarts and education in many fields can analyze. My education is in Economics, yet I could do it. . . and the analysis as well. The principles are the same.

Before I switched to Economics, I studied physics. That discipline could do it too. . . better than an engineer. Neither of those disciplines require state licensing, thank God. If the state got its fingers into licensing Economists, only Marxists would be permitted to practice.

The facts are that the vast majority of people with engineering degrees are most likely not registered with the state because they don't hang out their shingle and work for themselves but work for others. . .and operate under other licensed Engineers, as was pointed out above, because they simply don't practice their engineering in a way that NEEDS to be licensed, and their work will be signed off on by the licensed engineer they work under after he or she reviews it.

103 posted on 04/28/2017 12:29:16 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Alberta's Child
The licensing board did not fine him for rendering an opinion. They fined him for calling himself an "engineer" during the course of rendering an opinion -- which is a violation of the state laws or regulations governing the practice of engineering.

Calling himself an engineer is free speech.

The government can't intervene until he hangs out a shingle and takes money from the public for practicing "engineering", whatever the hell that is.

If they do, they've violated his civil rights, and the taxpayers of Oregon should pay to compensate him for his ordeal at the hands of their miserable State.

105 posted on 04/28/2017 1:07:17 AM PDT by cynwoody
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