Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Attention Mark Cuban -- we absolutely need to have more H1B's from India replacing Americans at Disney, etc.
1 posted on 04/20/2017 6:32:14 AM PDT by markomalley
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-24 next last
To: markomalley

All the smart ones left........................


2 posted on 04/20/2017 6:35:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

And yet they still call you “about your computer”.


3 posted on 04/20/2017 6:36:21 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (WKU 2016 Boca Raton Bowl Champions)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

Both software and hardware engineers from India who have managed to get a job in the US are also fails


4 posted on 04/20/2017 6:37:07 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

95% unfit for Indian and Pakistani H1Bs about corresponds to my observations. Then again, my US born colleagues are about 70% unfit. 20% of us do about of the actual work. 80% do the other half.


8 posted on 04/20/2017 6:38:57 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley
. . . more than 60% candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4% can write functionally correct and efficient code.

I would like to know the comparable numbers for American programmers. I suspect we are well short of 100% also, although probably much better than India, but I would like to know how big the difference is. I am okay with "functionally correct" but curious how strict their standard is for "efficient" code.

10 posted on 04/20/2017 6:41:52 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

All the ones I have met have been good. There is a language barrier sometimes but almost all Indian programmers have grown up in English-only school. They can read and write expertly. We taught them to speak Southern at Wrangler. Slowly and stretch out the words.

“Wheere ya’ll goin’ to luuunch ay-yut?”


12 posted on 04/20/2017 6:43:38 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Don't mistake your dorm political discussions with the desires of the nation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

“The study further noted that while more than 60% candidates cannot even write code that compiles, only 1.4% can write functionally correct and efficient code. “

But they sure can copy/paste!


13 posted on 04/20/2017 6:44:39 AM PDT by TexasGator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley
The employability gap can be attributed to rote learning based approaches rather than actually writing programmes on a computer for different problems.

Rote learning is not going to get you very far in thinking outside the box, which is where good programming is done.

Also, there is a dearth of good teachers for programming, since most good programmers get jobs in industry at good salaries, the study said.

Rote learning, bad teachers. Garbage in, garbage out. Too bad.

14 posted on 04/20/2017 6:45:59 AM PDT by COBOL2Java ("Game over, man, game over!" (my advice to DemocRATs))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley
The unpalatable truth is that most people can't become effective computer programmers, and getting a degree in computer science doesn't change that.

In the U.S., less than 10% of applicants for programming positions can pass even the simplest programming test.

Why Can't Programmers.. Program?

In other words, thus isn't unique to India. It's the nature of the business.

15 posted on 04/20/2017 6:49:12 AM PDT by jdege
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

My experience has been that companies contract with the Indian companies on a fixed payment plan, regardless of man-hours worked. Along with the big time difference, they are able to put multiple “engineers” on a problem to fix it, as long as it’s fixed by the time we start here in the U.S. And, since, there is no difference in payment whether one person or 10 worked on the problem, we don’t care, since it’s fixed and the big wigs don’t have to worry about the cost.

I know that the bozo in India that “replaced” me a few years ago was a complete incompetent, chosen (I think) because he knew how to log on to a VM or MVS terminal and could spell the name of the application software we used.

Oh, well, I’m sure my former employer paid about 30% of my total compensation for his services, so they were happy.


18 posted on 04/20/2017 6:51:25 AM PDT by ssaftler (Better Alt-Right than Ctrl-Left.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

I am not at all surprised at this. While there are some very smart students from India, there are also a lot of very bad ones. Especially when it comes to programming. They also cheat. On the flip side, their English is good and they are very polite and deferential—at least to your face.


22 posted on 04/20/2017 6:55:41 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

Yesterday I did not even know what a software engineer was, and now I are one!


24 posted on 04/20/2017 6:56:48 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Some people consider government to be a necessary evil, others their personal Ponzi scheme.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

but they’re Expert Cybercriminals with their Microsoft virus Phone Scam


27 posted on 04/20/2017 6:58:30 AM PDT by butlerweave
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

I’ve spoken to most of them via phone after dialing 1-800-DellFix.


28 posted on 04/20/2017 6:59:02 AM PDT by moovova
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: All

15 years ago I suddenly got two Indian guys to supervise and train. Two months later they replaced me.


31 posted on 04/20/2017 7:01:23 AM PDT by jr3000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

After working in the IT industry for the past 25 years, that number is low...


34 posted on 04/20/2017 7:06:13 AM PDT by Common Sense 101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley
Eh? Why do the Silicon Valley companies import so many of them? To depress the wages of American coders, silly!
35 posted on 04/20/2017 7:07:09 AM PDT by null and void (Drain the swamp! Get rid of the mosque-itoes!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

This isn’t just an India thing. I know many, many developers who “oversell themselves”.

I’ve hired and fired more than I really should have. Including one from that same pool of “Americans at Disney”


36 posted on 04/20/2017 7:08:21 AM PDT by Celerity
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley

My husband has said Indian IT workers don’t accept direction or criticism well.


45 posted on 04/20/2017 7:18:10 AM PDT by kalee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: markomalley
only 4.77% candidates can write the correct logic for a programme

"Correct" logic? Obviously, getting the right output from the expected input is important, but I think HOW you get there is a bit subjective. There's obviously something to be said for writing a program efficiently, but given processing speeds and available memory, I'm not certain that efficient programs are nearly as important any more.

In my experience with them, overcoming the language barrier is the biggest challenge in working with Indian IT workers. They will not be able to collect requirements, so you'll have to do that for them. You may also have to do the software design as well, and that may involve writing pseudo-code in so detailed a fashion, you might as well be writing the software for them.

48 posted on 04/20/2017 7:20:39 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-24 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson