Posted on 04/18/2017 11:54:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Not seeing that you can’t win a fight is a screw up. He didn’t have to fight, refusing to leave was a fight in and of itself. They had been informed that the plane wasn’t leaving until some passengers got off, he chose to inconvenience EVERYBODY for his own ego. That’s a screw up.
I never said United didn’t screw up. In fact quite the opposite, I’ve said multiple times they did. So stop lying about what I said. If you can’t own up to the simple fact that both sides were wrong, and you can’t put together a post without insults at least be man enough to no lie.
Oh the drama. When asked leave an aircraft you get up like an adult and walk off the plane. The only time you should act like a child, like Doc Dao, is if you are being deplaned at 30,000 feet. Then I could see acting like that.
It was a super saver seat and not guaranteed. For members of the commentariat to defend Dao’s right to a seat is for those same members to reject the property rights of businesses. Federal regulations imposed on businesses regularly ignore property rights, and because they do costs for their customers rise to reflect government disdain for property.
A plane is a public accommodation. Privately owned, pay to fly, but nonetheless a public accommodation. Like a skating rink or a stadium.
There are limits on what the operator can do.
A plane is subject to FAA regs. Passengers can be rejected and deplaned for any reason or no reason. If a crew member tells you to stand up and walk off the plan, you do it(provided the plane is on the ground).
Thanks for that information. I didn’t know United was still groveling to their investors about their monumental screw up /PR disaster. It’s understandable, though. They opted to play the part of brutal overlords, breakung, bruisinh, bloodying and concussing a legal, non-disruptive passenger rather than continue the quest for ***volunteers*** in a rational, humane way.
When you consider that United had already passed up two volunteers because they were unwilling to negotiate over a couple of hundred dollars in the ‘monopoly money,’ they were offereing, you see the exact problem. United didn’t want to re-accomodate their passengers; they wanted to prove to the world what bad a$$es they are.
‘Oh, so you don’t want to ‘volunteer’? After we put you in the hospital, we’ll see how many holdouts there are in the future-haha!’
Truly stupider than a sack of hammers.
Have you forgotten my request for links? You were going to backup your statement—unless it was a smear—that Dao had a history of out of control anger. Why would you post something like that with zero evidence? Please link to your source; thank you.
Also, since you mentioned hucksterism separately from the pain pilks, you obviously know of additional shady activities in Dao’s past. Please link to those too.
option 3) Police decline to intervene.
There will invariably be people on any given flight who do not necessarily HAVE to fly at that particular time, and wouldn't mind flying a little later in the day. The fact that three of the folks on that flight had no problem with the arrangement likely bears that out. When I fly, I'm usually not in so much of a hurry that delaying for a few hours would be a burden, given that the airline is willing to offer a voucher or help arrange another flight that day.
...I think, that UAL can remove Dao from its plane with no penalty other than that associated with breach of contract.
When common carrier airlines breach their contract of carriage they are breaking federal law.
That's part of the deal for being a common carrier
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with the quote, but I’ll say it’s a good quote and I agree with it. If we apply it to this example, I would say that ol’ Dr. Dao should never have been manhandled the way he was, regardless of his refusal to leave (which was in within his contractual rights, from what I understand). The idea that an airline would have a paying passenger violently removed simply to make room, or that the security guys would resort such aggressive tactics, is an indication that these people and organizations do not hold to those old standards of behavior. Forcing a seated passenger to leave at the literal last minute is a huge imposition, and the airline, if they had any decency, would have recognized that and acted accordingly. Instead, they thought they were in their legal right to boot the poor fellow off the plane in an undignified manner, and so they did, decorum and decency be damned.
It may be his right to stay in his seat; but, if the owner says go, he should go - because the law can't provide a peaceful solution to all situations.
There was a standard of proper behavior for the airline, too—and they violated it:
‘Demetrio [one of Dao’s attorneys] declined to discuss what kind of damages Dao might seek in a lawsuit, saying he doesn’t know the extent of the physical, emotional or psychological damage the man suffered. But, he said, the airline did not have the right to use “unnecessary force and violence” to remove a passenger who is not a threat.
“Common carriers have the highest duty of care to provide protection and safety to its fare-paying passengers,” he said, adding that the Chicago airport police who dragged Dao from the plane share in responsibility for the incident.’
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-live-stream-david-dao-presser-20170413-story.html
on what basis could other passengers sue? I’m not being argumentative — I just don’t know what would be the basis for John Doe to sue for an incident that happened to someone else (assuming John Doe was far away from David Dao, was not related or knew him in any way and was not bumped off or delayed)
You can find them yourself. Ny post for one. Dao is a queer, a mental illness. He sold prescriptions to meet up with another coprophiliac to vector diseases by fecal-oral transmission. This makes him a drug dealer and a huckster. It’s a federal crime. How many times, you can contact a bud with access to his record. How many times he didn’t get caught is speculation, but habits are habits.
So since he has a past record, that means you can outright lie about him and smear him.
Really.
Some of us believe in the Golden Rule. Others don’t.
First, you previously listed hucksterism as a separate crime. Now you’re conflating it with the one crime with which Dao has been charged, convicted, and fully punished. I knew you’d do that. It is the height of dishonesty, which is the stock in trade of far too many Dao haters.
It’s impossible to find something that doesn’t exist. Namely, the false, manufactured claim that Dao suffers from outbursts of extreme rage. You said that, but it was a lie. That is why neither you nor anyone else can providea citation. It doesn’t exist.
The smear merchants and hatemongers are having a field day. It’s disgusting and putrid.
One question for you. Are you homophilic?
I am a Christian. I recognize that we are all sinners. Our only hope is to be saved by the blood of Christ, by faith through grace.
Jesus didn’t save us so we could play holier than thou. He saved us so that we would love and serve the least among us. See Matthew 25: 31ff
Here’s another passage to ponder:
1 John 4:20
If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.
You didn’t answer the question. And calling people names is your way?
I certainly did answer your question. Christians hate the sin but love the sinner.
If I labeled something you said a “lie,” there is a simple solution. Just provide your source/link. Nothing could be easier.
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