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All Waco Trials Delayed
The Aging Rebel ^ | 3/29/2017

Posted on 03/30/2017 4:38:52 PM PDT by Elderberry

As recently as this morning it seemed impossible, but the Twin Peaks legal fiasco got even more ridiculous this afternoon.

McLennan County, Texas District Attorney Abelino Reyna, who is gratuitously prosecuting 192 people who were at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco on May 17, 2015, filed a ridiculous “disclosure” in the 19th Judicial District today, “in the spirit of Brady, the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure 39.14 (the Michael Morton Act), our ethical obligations under Texas Disciplinary Rules of Professional Conduct, and our duty to ‘see that justice is done.’ The document is titled “State’s Disclosure of the Existence of Federal Evidence Not in its Possession or Control.”

Disclose This

The disclosure begins: “On March 28, 2017, the McLennan County Criminal District Attorney’s Office received a letter from the United States Attorney for the Western District of Texas, Richard L. Durbin, Jr. This letter provides the broad outlines of an investigation into the Bandidos Outlaw Motorcycle Club, United States v. John Portillo, et al., Cause No. SA-15-CR-820 (see attached). In the letter, Mr. Durbin declines to share any information or evidence relating to that investigation at this time. Mr. Durbin has indicated that the information will be disclosed to the McLennan County Criminal District Attorney’s Office once the trial is complete.

“Although no specific disclosures were made, Mr. Durbin acknowledges that the federal investigation has information which relates to the events at Twin Peaks in Waco, Texas on May 17, 2015. Although the federal investigation was underway when that incident occurred, neither the fact of the investigation nor any information pertaining to the investigation were shared with this office.”

The “disclosure” continues:

“Despite repeated efforts to obtain this information, our office has no specific knowledge of the contents of the federal investigation. The information is subject to a protective order and not in our control, preventing our actual or imputed knowledge of the specific information. Tex. Rules Prof. Conduct 3.09; Rubalcado v. State, 424 S.W.3d 460 (Tex. Crim. App. 2014). The federal investigation has been ndependent of this prosecution, and no collaboration between the offices has occurred. This information may be exculpatory, mitigating, or impeachment evidence as contemplated by Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963).”

Tarradiddle

Reyna has been lip synching the same song for more than a year and a half. The disclosure is tarradiddle. The Waco bloodbath was the result of a federal investigation into the Bandidos Motorcycle Club. That was where Patrick Swanton got his “intelligence.” And anybody who has ever looked at multiple federal investigations of motorcycle clubs knows they all employ the same game plan. Federal investigators or deputies drawn from state and local police forces infiltrate and try to ingratiate themselves to the target club. The infiltrators act as agents provocateur, buying guns and drugs at well above market price, asking to store cigarettes in a club brother’s garage, offering large sums to out-of-work men for a few hours of “security” and encouraging violence.

Waco has always been reminiscent of the murder of a Mongol named Manual Vincent “Hitman” Martin on the Glendale Freeway in the middle of the night in 2008. Undercover agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had foreknowledge – if they did not kill him themselves – that Martin was going to be murdered. The undercover agents, whose names were Gregory Giaoni, Paul D’Angelo and Darrin Kozlowski, not only allowed the murder to occur but they incited it by picking on the wrong, bad dude in a bar. The next day Kozlowski used the murder as an opportunity to try to incite Mongols leaders to go to war. Something like that self-evidently happened at the Twin Peaks.

What’s Really Just Happened

Reyna has just plausibly denied that he ever knew anything about the federal Bandidos investigation, or its connection to the Twin Peaks. He did not arrest 177 people on the spot because he wanted to shut up all the witnesses to the brawl until the migrating press moved on. He arrested them all because it was his “duty.” Now he and his duty are hiding behind the federal case. And why, exactly 14 months after the Bandidos indictment was unsealed, should anything about the investigation that preceded it remain secret?

But what happened today is not merely about Reyna covering himself. Today’s “disclosure” was strategic. Reyna’s proclamation that there is evidence that might prove the people he has been persecuting for the last two years are innocent is almost as offensive as his statement that he made today’s filing because he is duty bound to “see that justice is done.” Everything Reyna says sticks to your boots and stinks.

What Reyna has been doing for the last two years – beside stalling – is trying to find a case he can win, with a poisoned jury, in Waco. Earlier this month there were five, scheduled Twin Peaks trials. Who Reyna really wanted to try, according to multiple sources, was a Bandido named Jake Carrizal. Reyna thought he could get a Waco jury to believe that Carrizal started the whole mess by running over a Cossack prospect’s foot. That did not happen but the accusations against the 192 defendants in the case have never had anything to do with consensual reality. It is at least possible that Reyna would have tried to convince a jury of his homeboys that Carrizal, not the Texas Rangers, erected the polecam just outside the Twin Peaks patio where the fight started. The way these things usually go, Reyna would have accused Carrizal of putting up the polecam because he wanted a “trophy video.”

But that’s not going to happen now. Carrizal’s trial was continued last Friday and it will be continued again because Reyna just learned yesterday that the feds might be holding evidence pertinent to all the Twin Peaks cases. Just yesterday.

Just Yesterday

So it is now Reyna’s “duty” to make sure nobody goes to trial until all the evidence can be disclosed. And that can’t happen until after the trials of former Bandidos President Jeff Pike and former Bandidos Vice-President John Portillo, and four more defendants who were just appended to the Bandidos indictment, are complete.

There have been three indictments in the Bandidos RICO case so far. Who can guess how many superseding indictments there will be this year? Next year? The year after that? And all of them so secret that no one who is a mere citizen is allowed to know anything more about the Bandidos case than the accusations.

Undoubtedly, some defense attorneys in the Waco case will want to take their clients to trial before the federal case finds its putative conclusion. But Reyna, and the feds, will never allow that to happen. Reyna has his “duty” you know.


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To: TexasGator

I am a due process loving dude. And you don’t know the answer to my question at this point.

Is that the best you cop suckers can come up with?


81 posted on 03/31/2017 6:37:17 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

” Many were described as downward trajectory wounds which might be consistent with shots from elevated positions. “

I seem to remember a case back awhile ago ... Michael Brown it was ...


82 posted on 03/31/2017 6:48:37 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Strac6
I got about a hlf sentence through your smartass crap. Then stopped.

Show where there was conspiracy or STFU.

83 posted on 03/31/2017 8:09:37 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon

Actually, I was simply going to say “No” to your demand, but

If I was the DA, I would use PCSOT 71 to get all linked into a “Street Gang” and PCSOT 15 to charge conspiracy to distribute drugs.

I would have plenty of roll-over members/associates to testify that members of the PCSOT Street Gangs, AND ALL THOSE RIDING WITH THEM (women on back of bikes) knew gang distributed drugs and was intending to do so that day, and as a result, although unplanned, unanticipated and perhaps even unwanted, a homicide occurred. That gives me my murder indictments. Would I get murder convictions on all? No, but I would on a bunch of them.

Remember, if DA did not have a chance to make these charges stick, appeals-level courts would have intervened and dismissed long ago.

#1, I am not saying he will get all convictions, but felonies were committed that day BEFORE the shootout (ongoing distribution of meth, etc.)

#2, Felonies were committed during shootout.

#3, People in McClennon County are pizzed and this is not going to go away. They want their pound of flesh, and like it or not, the DA is on sound legal ground. If not, it would have been dismissed months ago. All the BS accusations against DA will only force him to work harder to get convictions.

Regarding convictions, right now, even without a trial, I’ll bet 12 locals would be ready to convict!

Def will demand, and should get a COV, but it won’t matter. The case isn’t gong to a urban county. It will go to another county like McCelennon and when it does, the line of lawyers trying to get roll over deals for the defs will wrap around the courthouse 3 times.

Like it or not, these gangs were looking for trouble, as they usually are, and they found it, not so much in the parking lot of the brestaurant, but from Texas law.

PS, I sent you FReep mail as you requested.


84 posted on 03/31/2017 9:17:32 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: BlueDragon

One more thing. DA will undoubtedly put on a Texas Ranger or two to testify about ongoing criminal activity, etc.... and in Texas, when a Ranger testifies against you, it’s like God himself is on the stand, and you are seriously fooked!


85 posted on 03/31/2017 9:39:11 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6

Uh, but nobody much went there intent on "distributing drugs".

It does not matter if some number of individuals at other times and places conspired to "distribute drugs".

So ---you would strong-arm them into telling LIES so that you could win convictions (while smugly smiling, "suborning perjury -- who, me?")

You should be horsewhipped, then run out of town on a rail. You also should possibly be stripped of whatever license to practice law you may have in whichever State you may hold license (then horsewhipped and run out of town on a rail).

You missed the first gate, again. You are hereby disqualified to prosecute anyone.

I did not "request" that you do so.

86 posted on 03/31/2017 10:36:09 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Like al baby likes to say; "hi mom" (she's always watching her baby, al))
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To: Strac6; Elderberry

That's not "one more thing". It's not a new idea. You are introducing here nothing "new".

But this is where the not need be proven (simply declared to be) insinuation & innuendo comes in. It's worse than having previous convictions brought up (and mention of those most usually can be tossed out due to how they can unduly influence a jury towards guilt for yet some other criminal act).

What is still needed, no matter how you try to avoid it, is evidence there was conspiracy. You've addressed that only by saying (after I had told you "show me where there is conspiracy" or STFU) as I understood you (when you wouldn't STFU) that you'd intimidate and threaten your way to convincing select "roll-over" defendants to testify not to TRUTH, but what you wanted and needed them to say in order to convict some limited number of the accused, INSTEAD.

That type of activity is contrary to what is stipulated by the Constitution of the State of Texas.
In Texas, the Courts and officers of the Court (including prosecuting attorneys) are tasked not to present winning arguments to achieve convictions, or acquittal, but primarily to be finders of truth.

Once truth can be established, then judgement according to law can take place (hopefully) neutrally.

In regards to the pending trials in McClennan County, I have presented no novel legal theories on this thread, despite the putrid mocking you'd given previously in reply. Yet you have just now confessed your own willingness to bend law and legal procedure past breaking point by introducing falsehoods into court upon which convictions sought by prosecution would ultimately rely.

That's been done in Waco before. Here ya' go (were the prosecutors friends of yours?);

The Waco Four


Some more from across the nation;

Well tell me more,
tell me more,
tell me more
I mean was he a heavy doper
or was he just a loser?
He was a friend of yours.

87 posted on 03/31/2017 11:51:53 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Like al baby likes to say; "hi mom" (she's always watching her baby, al))
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To: Strac6; Elderberry
Judge: Kussmaul, co-defendants ‘actually innocent’ of 1992 rapes, murders
By TOMMY WITHERSPOON twitherspoon@wacotrib.com Aug 19, 2016

Convicted murderer Richard Bryan Kussmaul and the three co-defendants who testified against him 22 years ago are “actually innocent,” and Kussmaul should be freed from prison, a retired state district judge ruled Friday.

Judge George Allen, who presided over Kussmaul’s 1994 capital murder trial, recommended that the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals grant applications for writs of habeas corpus for Kussmaul, James Edward Long, Michael Dewayne Shelton and James Wayne Pitts Jr. [end excerpt]


88 posted on 04/01/2017 12:07:16 AM PDT by BlueDragon (Like al baby likes to say; "hi mom" (she's always watching her baby, al))
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To: TexasGator

Yes, there could be several explanations. I mentioned one possibility.

I merely opined that your oft pasted assertions are just that, assertions.

As to your post #80, that flippant, rude reply does nothing to explain the red boot guy, now does it?

Enjoy your weekend.


89 posted on 04/01/2017 7:12:58 AM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: All
http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Letter+from+US+Attorney.pdf
90 posted on 04/01/2017 8:19:01 AM PDT by Elderberry
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To: BlueDragon

I’m over replying to your jailbird lawyer BS. It’s not just that you do not understand the law, it’s that you want to ensure no one else does either.

I kept wondering.... why all this pseudo-legal BS from you.... PS, you are correct, you have not presented any new legal theories... you have also not presented any valid legal theories at all.

This is all nothing more than jailbird lawyer stuff. We would hear it all the time in law school internships. The perps would tell us about their great legal theories that were going to keep them out of jail, get them new trials, get their charges dismissed, put the LEOs and DA/SA in jail..... and then when the cell door slammed on them... again... they would all claim they were railroaded... victims of discrimination, etc.

The internet just allows this BS to spread wider and farther.

I think I have finally figured it out. You are working so hard to prevent the evidence from being presented in court, and trying to project all sorts of malfeasance on the DA, as opposed the gang of scum murders and drug dealers... are you, or someone you care about, are you one of the defendants?

If not a current def, perhaps you did some previous jail time?

BTW, as per your link... of course there are recantations. Some people are railroaded, especially in some rural counties where the crime so offends the populace, they want “blood” and if some marginally guilty parties get convicted, TS.

It’s not nice, but it’s reality.

The reality is the quoted case has no legal significance in this matter, but plenty of practical bearing on the instant matter.

The perseverance of LEO’s in McClennon County is not lost on the lawyers for both sides. It is one more reason for those marginally guilty parties to cut a deal early, testify against the Tier 1 defs and get out from under the steamroller.

PS, just to be sure of the issues in the matter, I called a retired Def lawyer in Waco, the older brother of one of my classmates. He is very aware of the issues, and says, at a minimum 4 to 12 of the perps will draw at least 20-Life, at least a dozen others 3-5, and many others settle for 180 in County.... and he is A DEFENSE lawyer!

Don’t mess with Texas.

PS, No further replies to your BS.... It’s like teaching a pig to dance....


91 posted on 04/01/2017 9:47:21 AM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: MileHi
"As to your post #80, that flippant, rude reply does nothing to explain the red boot guy, now does it?"

"If this is the boots being mentioned, the interesting thing is his pants legs. Why would they have been pulled up like that? Perhaps to get something out of his boot?"


92 posted on 04/01/2017 11:32:24 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: MileHi
"Yes, there could be several explanations. I mentioned one possibility."

And here is another ...


93 posted on 04/01/2017 11:37:07 AM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Yep, that’s another. Maybe all the deceased were on their knees when they were shot. That’s why ballistics tell more than an MEs guess. Reyna doesn’t seem too anxious for us to find out. Maybe even doesn’t want us to. He comes across more and more as a corrupt DA with something to hide.

I read a lot here about corrupt government and LE at all levels, so you’ll excuse me I don’t just take their word for it, even if these guys are unsavory.


94 posted on 04/01/2017 2:19:08 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

“even if these guys are unsavory.”

IF???? ROTFLMAO!


95 posted on 04/01/2017 2:53:14 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator

Roll all you want, Reyna is pretty unsavory himself.


96 posted on 04/01/2017 5:03:36 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: MileHi

I notice even back to 2015 that you do not back up your personal attacks ...


97 posted on 04/01/2017 5:33:18 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Strac6

Hey, great. You've been threatening me with non-reply activity repeatedly, yet keeping breaking your own word. Then, when you do, eventually you get around to showing us what's really in that little 'ol lyin' heart of yours. Dontcha' just love pressure tactics? (and insults) They're so purty. Seems you do love 'em, when it's not you that that is the target.

According to your own words, as best as I could decipher those, you would suborn perjury as a District Attorney! (if you could)

You've got that precisely backwards. It took a while, but it seems to me I was finally able to get you to notice what it takes to establish conspiracy. It is precisely there, at that point, that yourself (and the other troll, even more-so) work at confusing the issue.

Your own previous response to me disproves the underlined contention.

The defendants are being charged with various forms of criminal conspiracy. I'm not the one who is apparently conflating conditions under which; who could be identified as being in "a gang" ---to that immediately become grounds for leveling charges of conspiracy when a crime occurs involving a member, or members of these alleged-to-be 'gangs'. That's all Renya and company, and guys like you, and it's not *quite* the way the laws are written.

Circling back to that particular little mouthful of bass-akwards falsehood you'd puked out before, I see. You made that claim previously. It was responded to and dealt with. Apparently you failed to notice.

In detailing how you would go about things (establishing some proof of conspiracy) you'd mapped out how that kind of stuff can go. Leaning on defendants, having life sentences [undeservedly] hanging over them, in order to pressure them to turn against other defendants, even if those pressured had to lie in order to save their own asses. In this particular scenario, a big problem with all of that, is that there is abundant reason to doubt that all 178 who were identically indicted, are equally truly guilty. You know this. I know this this. It would be safe to assume Renya knows this. So-- hold that thought.

That knowledge also leads back to something you had asserted in comment #84;

Renya doubled down on the same misrepresentation of facts that he started with. The same ones that I know, and that you know (and Renya knows?) he WILL NOT be able to make stick, having like -- ZERO chances of making it stick to ALL. There's that word again. All.

Renya -- is -- a liar.

He doesn't believe he could --or even believe he had reasonable chance of proving all guilty as charged. That means, he lied. There is no escaping that. Turning focus upon what will most likely be ending results to excuse/justify the little white lies that were used (sworn to be "truth" even) as part of the means is attempt to justify those means by a desired end. The "means" have placed more than just a few persons in serious jeopardy, the same who it should be recognized, are most likely NOT guilty of engaging in conspiracy to commit crime, in Waco, that day, at the Twin Peaks restaurant.

It was obvious that Renya, from the very beginning of his own unorthodox, early-on "involving himself" in the process, was seeking to use processes of law in order for himself be able to coerce defendants through OVERCHARGING at least some of them, even a high percentage of "them" (which is deceitful practice, even if it has in lesser, MUCH smaller "crowd" numbers become somewhat of the norm for prosecuting DA's to do). Included in this instance, was the seeking for and obtaining that million dollar bail amounts be set over each of 177 defendants (plus more than a dozen more who were not eventually indicted -- had to be set free -- it would have been too embarrassing to continue asserting what was asserted in the cookie cutter arrest warrants).

Bail is not designed to be punitive, nor coercive other than to help ensure that a defendant not yet convicted of any crime (merely charged of crime) will show up for trial, and not have their freedom unduly taken from themselves in the meantime.

Among those were persons who were arrested, and had million dollar bail requirements set over them, and whom you would have attempted to coerce (possibly false) admission there was "drug dealing" intended upon, are persons such as Morgan English. You had mouthed threat, [under condition that if you were to be prosecutor, and were needing establish "conspiracy"] would include persons such as her be subjected to a DA's cynical pressure process. As you had said;

Key word; "knew". Other emphasis added for yet other key portions. Thank you. The way you put things is the mirror image of the argument I've been contending for. The key underlined and emphasized portions (due to lack of uniform, all-encompassing existence that would justify uniform, all-encompassing indictments) make the case, for me. There is not enough there, there. It falls woefully short, even by your own accounting(!). Can you fully hear yourself talk? Keep babbling, and keep coming back to Twin Peaks Edition 'Waco' threads. It's been fun...

Meanwhile, according to that little legal theory of yours --- ALL participants rode to Waco that day -- not to attend a COC & I meeting-- but in order to sell drugs (to each other?) after which, according to the other troll's theory -- they would have a gunfight in a public parking lot (having gone there to Waco to do that very thing).

You boys should get your little stories better coordinated.

You must have been intending to write murderers. From now on, no more snide remarks about my own less-than stellar writing skills. Mmm'kay?

Whoever it is that could be truly guilty of committing acts of murder --- let those individuals be fairly and duly tried. Not those persons, plus a significant number of others be swept up and identically charged in order to provide a DA leverage he can use to eventually win convictions of a much smaller number of defendants.

It is the word "ALL", and how that is being applied, that is what I have consistently objected to. As it stands now, defendants appear to be facing accusations (and may well in trial be facing those) which rely strongly upon pointing accusatory fingers of those not in the docket to help sway a jury towards convicting singular persons who are "in the docket" at their own singular trial(s). Renya is seeking to have it that way, obviously enough. The charges are rather vague, loose, and broadly sweeping, all the while relying upon impugning collective guilt in order to convict individuals for bearing singular personal guilt.

The process, as it is being applied in the Waco Twin Peaks cases, is proceeding from that direction and is thus ---backwards. A more rightful way would be to bring to trial (and convict) individuals for direct acts (of murder) for which afterwards, once the facts of that murder (or murders) were to have some tangible legal record of having been established, others could be tried as conspirators.

If closer details of what extent individuals had personal involvement (beyond mere presence) can be either avoided -- or else presented in trial murkily, potential for miscarriage of justice becomes very high. You should be able to recognize it. You've confessed, in part, to how those things can and do occur, yet added the acronym 'TS' (tough shit -- correct?). As you said;

In some rural counties. The link provided was about a case that had been tried in McClennan county. Whether or not "rural" (thus ignert' hicks, are you saying also?) we can't get closer to home, "Where crime so offends the populace, they want blood..."

When you said "tough shit", were you speaking beyond the "rural" populace's sentiments...including there your own?

No. no. and most certainly no. No illicit drugs for me either. Not even usage. Caffeine, nicotine, & acetaminophen could be (for the last thirty years or so) be found regularly in my system -- but nothing else (other than having undergone surgery and been given heavy painkillers -- morphine, maybe). Your I think I have finally figured it out was big phat swing -- and a miss! whoosh! Nothing there. Not even close. Watching you turn most 'way 'round in a circle after missing, was entertaining. haha. (you Big Dummy)

Nope. It wouldn't matter if I had, though. Like Trey Gowdy said the other day [paraphrased]

As for how defendants -- which in regards to the Waco Four you characterized as "marginally guilty"(?) in response to the link I had provided to an accounting or their ordeal --- even 'marginal'-- likely not apply.

Having been railroaded, though, most certainly does apply. You said to that;

Well, it's nice to see you say; it's "not nice".

Perseverance. Willingness to do what's "not nice" (or LEGAL either) included.

Since we know McClennan County prosecutors cannot be trusted to seek fair and just legal results (we know there is a culture of corruption there, or had been in the past) defendants wrongly charged should be allowed to be compelled to forfeit Fifth Amendment rights ---because that's the only way to save oneself from being convicted ---whenever a person finds themselves among those falsely charged. Got it.

The Waco Four got it too (but in a different "way") and in the end found out the little verbal promises provided (you tell us so-and-so did it, and we'll give you only probation) were a pack of lies. The liars? Friends of yours obviously? Cookie-cutter indictments -- meet online supporters of corrupt prosecutorial practices. The father of all liars has many children. Some of them like to hang around fancy church buildings and think themselves righteous. They are members and defenders of fancy church buildings. The blood of Jesus for me, but for thee -- not so much. TS?

PS, just to be sure of the issues in the matter, I called a retired Def lawyer in Waco, the older brother of one of my classmates. He is very aware of the issues, and says, at a minimum 4 to 12 of the perps will draw at least 20-Life, at least a dozen others 3-5, and many others settle for 180 in County.... and he is A DEFENSE lawyer!

I had about that much figured out, about a year ago. The guesstimate numbers were in the ballpark. The 180 day-ers (if there will be any of those which Renya will need to try to avoid that happening (since he had their motorcycles seized!) even as he has to let that happen would possibly allowed credit for time served?

Another here who was present on this thread (the person I told you I believed was an attorney) had come to approximately the same conclusion, also. About a year ago. Did your defense attorney friend agree that the legal process thus far has not been, at least in part (on part of DA's office) cynical manipulation of the process?

I was raised in Texas. My maternal grandmother's ancestors had to fight off Comanches (literally). On my mothers side, the Texas lineage goes back to the 1870's, or possibly earlier (the records become thin). You ain't tellin' me anything I don't already know. (The saying Don’t mess with Texas was initially about littering, and was often placed nearby signage that included listing of dollar amount range of fines for littering)

Generally speaking, you've lost again, and lost mightily, in yet another exchange with little 'ol me. Multiple PS (postscripts mid-letter, to boot!) haven't preserved your arguments. Instead, most every word you have said has been successfully used against your own arguments. How you like them apples? So much for the high opinion you have of your own learnin', and gifts of discernment too, when those are set to searching out this little black duck.

98 posted on 04/01/2017 6:03:14 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: TexasGator

What personal attack? Then and now.


99 posted on 04/01/2017 6:23:07 PM PDT by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: BlueDragon

You are right. They will all be set free. They will all receive a hero’s welcome at the Bandito clubhouse in, where the Cossacks will detonate a 200 pound bomb they planted last week!

I really think you probably do not know how much deep doo-doo these defs are all in, and all your jailhouse lawyer BS is doing is moving this case up the ladder of interest to the DA and his statewide support officials. I say this as a matter of probably undeserved kindness; I’m worry that some of these scum, drug dealing, murdering defendants may actually believe the original article and all the jailhouse lawyer BS you and others have posted since. Every def, even these scum, deserve a good defense, and anyone relying on your BS isn’t going to get one.

Please take this to the bank: Many of these defs are going to prison for extended times. If they believe any of this legal mumbo-jumbo BS you post, rather than getting excellent legal advice from an experienced CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY who knows the local procedures in that area, they are locking themselves into prison for many, many moons.

9 people were killed and 18 others were wounded by groups well-known to be looking for trouble and being major drug manufacturers and distributors. The law will have its well-deserved piece of flesh. The bottom line is you and others can post all the jailhouse lawyer BS you want, but the perps are going down.... as they should.


100 posted on 04/01/2017 8:25:50 PM PDT by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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