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A Dream of Clean Energy at a Very High Price
NY Times ^ | March 27,2017 | Henry Fountain

Posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:41 AM PDT by proxy_user

SAINT-PAUL-LEZ-DURANCE, France — At a dusty construction site here amid the limestone ridges of Provence, workers scurry around immense slabs of concrete arranged in a ring like a modern-day Stonehenge.

It looks like the beginnings of a large commercial power plant, but it is not. The project, called ITER, is an enormous, and enormously complex and costly, physics experiment. But if it succeeds, it could determine the power plants of the future and make an invaluable contribution to reducing planet-warming emissions.

ITER, short for International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (and pronounced EAT-er), is being built to test a long-held dream: that nuclear fusion, the atomic reaction that takes place in the sun and in hydrogen bombs, can be controlled to generate power.

First discussed in 1985 at a United States-Soviet Union summit, the multinational effort, in which the European Union has a 45 percent stake and the United States, Russia, China and three other partners 9 percent each, has long been cited as a crucial step toward a future of near-limitless electric power.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; fusion; nuclear; power
We used to have a lot of cold-fusion threads here, but this is the real deal. They're spending billions to try to get nuclear fusion working and provide unlimited power. It's not easy.

There are some interesting diagrams of how the thing is engineered at the article.

1 posted on 03/30/2017 11:09:41 AM PDT by proxy_user
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The Human Hamster Wheel of clean energy ?


2 posted on 03/30/2017 11:12:17 AM PDT by butlerweave
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(and pronounced EAT-er)

The only thing it eats is tax dollars....................


3 posted on 03/30/2017 11:14:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Ending a sentence with a preposition is nothing to be afraid of........)
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Cool stuff (I mean hot). Thanks!


4 posted on 03/30/2017 11:16:08 AM PDT by dhs12345
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I am also waiting for room temperature superconductors.


5 posted on 03/30/2017 11:17:46 AM PDT by armourenthusiast (Trumperific)
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Price is a form of rationing.

Rationed energy is limited energy. Limited energy is a recipe for economic disaster.

Our current level of civilization is ENTIRELY dependent on the abundance of energy sources available, as it is the wellspring of all wealth and growth, and the fuel that serves the spinoff luxury and recreational industries. Poor people as defined in America are infinitely better off than any of these “enlightened” republics where energy production is limited or simply unavailable.

But think of how small their carbon footprint is. And that is a GOOD thing. < /sarcasm >


6 posted on 03/30/2017 11:23:37 AM PDT by alloysteel (John Galt has chosen to take the job. This time, Atlas did NOT shrug.)
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Yeah sure thing...just like BIF is the real deal


7 posted on 03/30/2017 11:28:37 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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I am also waiting for room temperature superconductors.

They've been 10 years away from reality for 20 years.

8 posted on 03/30/2017 11:45:25 AM PDT by Quality_Not_Quantity
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Fusion has always been 15 to 25 years in the future.


9 posted on 03/30/2017 11:56:36 AM PDT by Valk Rider
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BIF? What’s that?


10 posted on 03/30/2017 12:06:43 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( Make America America Again ))))
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Mr. Fusion, where are you?


11 posted on 03/30/2017 12:10:18 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (If you choose not to deal with reality, reality will deal with you - and not on your terms)
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Sorry small keyboard old eyes. Should have said NIF...the US effort at fusion


12 posted on 03/30/2017 1:47:26 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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What is the acceptance level for producing energy that permanently removes the hydrogen equivalent component (<2.7 kg) of a 24-pack of liter sized bottled water per month of operation, in trade for a sustained co-generation of 10 kilowatt electric output plus heat at 30% efficiency? The Earth loses almost 11 metric tons of hydrogen into space per hour from the atmosphere, as a reference figure.

It's not nearly the theoretical energy conversion rate of a hydrogen fusion reactor; but, hydrogen is readily available within the solar system. Consider the possibility in the context of it not becoming the permanent energy solution, but the next stepping stone on the energy path, a grantor providing the time to work out an even better solution.

13 posted on 03/31/2017 10:26:31 AM PDT by Ozark Tom
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