Posted on 03/28/2017 5:25:31 AM PDT by drewh
As they investigate the forces behind the partys stunning losses in November, Democrats are coming to a troubling conclusion. The party didnt just lose among rural white voters on Election Day, it may have failed to capture them in its pre-election polling as well.
Many pollsters and strategists believe that rural white voters, particularly those without college degrees, eluded the partys polling altogether and their absence from poll results may have been both a cause and a symptom of Donald Trumps upset victory over Hillary Clinton in several states.
Determining what exactly happened is one of the most pressing problems facing the out-of-power party. In order to win those voters back or figure out a future path to victory without them party strategists say they first need to measure the size of that rural and working-class cohort.
John Hagner, a partner at Clarity Campaign Labs, a D.C.-based Democratic analytics firm, said 2016 taught the party a hard lesson about polling in the Trump era.
The folks who would talk to a stranger about politics just arent representative of people who wouldnt, he said.
The first evidence of the partys polling blind spot surfaced in a governors race, the 2015 contest in Kentucky. Both public and private polls going into the election showed Democrat Jack Conway and Republican Matt Bevin running neck-and-neck Conway had a 3-point lead in the final RealClearPolitics average but Bevin won by a comfortable, 9-point margin.
Like some of the more Democratic states where Trump upset Clinton last year, Kentucky has a large rural and a large working-class white population (often there is considerable overlap in the groups). Whites make up 88 percent of Kentuckys population, and fewer than a quarter of Kentucky residents over age 25 have a college degree.
Demographic trends confirm that these voters have been moving toward Republicans, but they dont provide an easy answer for why pollsters have struggled to capture them in surveys.
Hagner sees some similarities between Bevin and Trump both businessmen who initially positioned themselves as insurgent candidates within the GOP. In both cases, there were signs of whats known as "social-desirability bias," the idea that voters wont admit for whom they intend to vote because they think others will look unfavorably on their choice.
With both Bevin and Trump, every newspaper endorsed against them, Hagner said. The right answer, in air quotes, was, Im not going to vote for them. Theres a small group of people who knew that, at some level, they didnt want their support for Trump to be scrutinized.
Pollsters are still analyzing whether a shy Trump voter effect may have been decisive in some states. Like the public polls, Democrats struggled to measure the presidential race in private polls in a number of Upper Midwest states with large numbers of working-class white voters.
Clintons campaign mostly ignored Michigan and Wisconsin where public and private surveys showed Clinton consistently ahead until the final days of the race and was edged narrowly on Election Day by Trump. And the campaign invested heavily in Iowa and Ohio two traditional battlegrounds where she trailed only to lose both by larger margins than expected.
We projected Clinton to lose Ohio by 200,000 votes, said Hagner, and she lost by 450,000.
Democrats polling problems might not only be voters hiding their intentions from pollsters some voters may have been hiding altogether.
That bias against responding covers a number of different elements, including geography. One top Democratic strategist who requested anonymity to discuss candidly what went wrong with the 2016 polls pointed to difficulty in reaching voters in more rural districts because of spotty cellphone service.
The same strategist added that many of these voters also may choose not to participate in polls because they dont like the establishment and they dont want to take a survey.
The yawning education gap among white voters preferences Trump clobbered Clinton among white voters without a college degree, while the two ran neck-and-neck among those with a degree means that nonresponse bias may have been determinative, said Democratic pollster Nick Gourevitch, a partner at Global Strategy Group. And it may have been going on for some time.
I think its very plausible that for years pollsters have been over-representing educated voters, and that it only came back to bite us recently because it was a key driver in vote preferences this time, Gourevitch said.
Its too early to say for sure that this explains Democrats struggles over the past two election cycles or that these issues will still be relevant in 2017 and 2018. Most Democrats along with Republicans and nonpartisan analysts are waiting for more states to collect and publish data of which voters did and did not cast ballots, a process expected to conclude later this spring.
Democrats arent ready to prescribe remedies yet, but officials at the national party committees are sending strong signals that they plan to hold pollsters to a higher standard in the upcoming midterm elections. Rep. Ben Ray Luján of New Mexico, who is chairing the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee for the second consecutive election cycle, ruffled feathers last month when he suggested that unreliable pollsters will not be invited back to the DCCC.
A committee spokeswoman, Meredith Kelly, clarified last month that pollsters reliability isnt just going to be determined by their 2016 results, but also by their willingness to participate in a DCCC-driven effort to test various polling methods.
Its more about unreliable data combined with an unwillingness to do better and to learn from that, said Kelly, the DCCCs communications director. Thats when well stop working with people.
To that end, the DCCC plans to use this years races for other offices to test its pollsters and different methods to reach the voters who caused problems in recent elections. That could include using its own automated survey infrastructure.
Were going to use the 2017 elections to basically ask multiple pollsters to test rural and exurban areas that have overlaps with some of our [target] districts, Kelly said. Itll be an ongoing thing, so well have a way to test whose approaches worked and were most predictive.
Elisabeth Pearson, executive director of the Democratic Governors Association, said her organization conducted a review after the 2015 Kentucky governors race and intends to use it as a model for how to proceed headed into the next two years, when gubernatorial elections will be held in 38 of 50 states.
Ive seen a ton of openness from pollsters. Weve done a couple of these meetings where weve brought all these pollsters that we worked with and had a great conversation about best practices, deep dives into things like sampling, said Pearson. I think they all understand that its in their best interests.
Yeah, what’s up with Utah?
Is that map a change from 2012 to 2016? Utah looks like it went Dem, but was really a change from Romney to McMullin with the Dems staying about the same.
I just looked up the Utah numbers. It went from 73 R-25 D in 2012 to 46 R- 27 D - 22 McMullin. So the margin dropped by 29 points making that Utah look blue in that map.
No kidding. Other evidence might be to look at why they have lost 1000 seats in 8 years - if they were honest with themselves. Try doing honest polls, with honest data, and doing honest analysis and then they might get a clue (I do not expect this to happen, I expect nothing to change).
Linked the wrong map.
The proportion is good enough for this purpose but wrong.
It seems like I can’t find the county map of 2016 that were everywhere recently.
Thanks for pointing it out.
As if Mrs. Bill Clinton and/or Bernie Sanders would have changed their policy plans to move towards the rural white voters.
Bad polling elected Trump.
Lower-level FBI agents pressuring their Director (because thats how professional relationships work) elected Trump.
Tim Kaine gave Hillary Virginia, but he also elected Trump.
White women elected Trump.
The Russians elected Trump.
Racists elected Trump.
Sexists elected Trump.
Rural voters elected Trump.
The working class voting against their own interests elected Trump.
Fake news elected Trump.
Facebook elected Trump.
Supermarket tabloids elected Trump.
Celebrity (The Apprentice) elected Trump.
White male resentment elected Trump.
Over-shaming Trump supporters elected Trump.
Rejecting Bernie elected Trump.
Reagan democrats elected Trump.
Gary Johnson and Jill Stein voters elected Trump.
Backlash against political correctness elected Trump.
FBI Director Comey elected Trump.
There are many terrible reasons for President Trumps victory, but there are two things that were not a factor. First, Hillary was the perfect candidate; nothing she did harmed her candidacy in any way. Second, President Trump was the worst candidate imaginable; nothing he did helped his candidacy at all, except with racists, sexists, bigots, and the rest of the basket of deplorables.
We don’t trust pollsters. I’m “rural white” and I do not answer ANY polls, written or phoned. NONE. They’ll just take my answers and twist them, so why waste my time in the only life God has given me? I’d rather be shooting, hunting, or building something than talking to these liars.
I
Don’t
Do
Polls
Period
They can all just wait for the only Poll that counts.
H->!’s poll numbers went up when she was not in the public eye. Campaigning made her numbers go down. There’s your problem right there.
The commie ‘Rats need to become one with Thomas Jefferson or give it up.
>> Polling blindspot
I have no problem with Democrats fighting hard, but the ‘polling’ was a Media job facilitated by major corporations such as Disney, Comcast, and Time Warner.
The MSM is the Country’s greatest threat. Don’t patronize the enabling, parent companies.
Utah is ‘rat?
So, McMac screwed up Utah. That makes sense. McMac is a ‘rat....
They would be shocked to learn that there are millions of voters who don’t even have a Facebook account!
Bad map.
The Russians changed it after I posted.
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