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To: so_real

Obamacare will not implode. Implode has no meaning. It is fully funded with budget mechanism. You want them gone? Find 60 votes. You want the mechanism gone with fewer than 60? That’s called budget Reconciliation. It stays, it gets funded. You think it will cost too much? It’s just more bonds issued by Treasury for the Fed to buy.

There is no implode. It will be there forever. Because you didn’t want to get rid of any part of it at all.

Ryan was right. 100% right. That is one brilliant guy. From day 1, THIS is the closest you’ll ever get. Never again will there be a chance.


10 posted on 03/23/2017 6:33:46 PM PDT by Owen
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To: Owen

Unfortunately, I agree.


18 posted on 03/23/2017 6:35:34 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: Owen

Nope sorry, Here you go.
1) line one, repeal the bill
2) put in preexist, parents til you are 99 or whatever.
3) everything else you want
4) attach to HHS budget bill, budget bills can’t be filibustered.
Case solved. repeal and replace, Very simple. Everyone happy.
Solution 2.
1) repeal obamacare, effective in 6 or 8 or whatever months.
2) then you have 6 months for second bill to put in everything you want, so no one goes without, everyone gets to keep their promise.
3) pass repeal bill as rider to HHS bill, filibuster no problem.
Case solved, repeal and replace, Very simple Everyone happy.
Solution 3
1) Purchase Turtle a set of balls, and reverse the filibuster for only this one bill.
2) Pass the repeal and Separate replace bill.
3) Put filibuster back in place. You know the dems would do it.
Case solved, repeal and replace, Very simple Everyone happy.

This is so much simpler than helping my 4th grader with her sciene homework tonight.

Point is republican leadership DOES NOT WANT REPEAL and Trump doesn’t know what is going on. He’s a cool guy and all that, but completely clueless as to Ryan and how this healthcare garbage works. He will just say it is great no matter what the bill reads.


93 posted on 03/23/2017 7:29:13 PM PDT by pghbjugop
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To: Owen

Naw, just ditch the filibuster. Screw the dims. Time to save the Republic. You pubbies fail at this and you can kiss 2018 goodbye.


98 posted on 03/23/2017 7:32:37 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Owen
Find 60 votes. You want the mechanism gone with fewer than 60? That’s called budget Reconciliation.

B$ it is called kill the Byrd, or use Rule 19 or just have the VPP chair the Senate and over rule the parliamentarian. They lie to you and maybe you believe them but this Okie don't.

117 posted on 03/23/2017 7:51:41 PM PDT by itsahoot (Must learn to resist the compunction to offer advice or help to complainers.)
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To: Owen

Implode absolutely has meaning. The health care providers are abandoning the exchanges. The lack of participation drives rates up, unsustainable so. Present funding cannot support the weight. The system goes bankrupt. Implode. Done. Besides, the individual mandate compelling all Americans to buy health care was ruled a tax by the Supreme Court in 2012. That can be tossed out in reconciliation with a simple majority vote. That simple act alone hampstrings the whole animal. It's horse-pucky that the Republicans are "doing all they can". We the People know better and are sick and tired of the liars and the enablers of those liars.


119 posted on 03/23/2017 7:57:17 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Owen
Ryan was right. 100% right. That is one brilliant guy. From day 1, THIS is the closest you’ll ever get. Never again will there be a chance.

Somebody has been at the kool-aid again

156 posted on 03/23/2017 9:43:36 PM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Owen

Ryan was right. 100% right. That is one brilliant guy. From day 1, THIS is the closest you’ll ever get. Never again will there be a chance.


Seriously? With all due respect, Ryan is not “one brilliant guy,” what has he ever accomplished? It is his fault the whole thing blew up. Ryan was not getting rid of it...

If I use an analogy of a house to obamacare, Ryan was simply doing some redecorating...he did not change the footprint of the house or even gut the interior.

The House had 8 years to plan a repeal replacement—instead they simply lifted parts of Ryan’s “Better Way” plan—that was actually stated today. So we are supposed to trust this House or some future Congress to implement future phases with the “good stuff” when they did not get their act together in 8 years?!?!

Also, even tho the deal was lousy, Ryan misled Trump that he had votes to get the deal. Trump should have never ever trusted Ryan—who has never worked in Trump’s best interest. Trump should not have gotten behind this stinker bill either.

I don’t know if obamacare will implode or if we will ever get another chance, but this Ryan bill did not repeal anything, and frankly it did not replace it—it just tweaked obamacare. Ryan even wanted to provide Ryancare to illegals!!

Ryan is a pro-immigration, open borders globalist and he has got to go!!!


184 posted on 03/23/2017 11:14:21 PM PDT by Freedom56v2 (Inside Every Liberal is a Totalitarian Screaming to Get Out - D. Horowitz)
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To: Owen

It looks like, once again, the Lovers of Losing Caucus is going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And people wonder why “conservatives” can’t elect anyone above a Representative. What asses.


188 posted on 03/24/2017 12:04:59 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Check out "CHAOS AND MAYHEM" at Amazon.com.)
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To: Owen

When insurance premiums increase by 100% or insurance companies leave markets so people have no or few options - that’s imploding.


231 posted on 03/24/2017 5:42:21 AM PDT by CottonBall (Thank you, Julian)
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