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US general says Russia has deployed banned missile
Stars and Stripes ^ | 8 Mar 2017 | Robert Burns

Posted on 03/08/2017 12:39:26 PM PST by elhombrelibre

WASHINGTON — A senior U.S. general on Wednesday accused Russia of deploying a land-based cruise missile in violation of "the spirit and intent" of a nuclear arms treaty and charged that Moscow's intention is to threaten U.S. facilities in Europe and the NATO alliance.

"We believe that the Russians have deliberately deployed it in order to pose a threat to NATO and to facilities within the NATO area of responsibility," Gen. Paul Selva, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a House Armed Services Committee hearing.

(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: missile; russia
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1 posted on 03/08/2017 12:39:26 PM PST by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

As much as I dislike Russia, I don’t see how a treaty made with a different and defunct country (the U.S.S.R) applies to them now.


2 posted on 03/08/2017 12:46:23 PM PST by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: ETL; 1rudeboy

Ping


3 posted on 03/08/2017 12:49:07 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade
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To: elhombrelibre

Since these missiles are aimed at the former Europe, this actually IS a Muslim Ban.


4 posted on 03/08/2017 12:56:11 PM PST by The Toll
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To: SecondAmendment

Right. And they’re not keeping the Minsk Agreement either. So old treaties and new agreements just don’t apply to them. It’s nice to be able to be situational in our ethics. It’s kind of like Liberal ethics.


5 posted on 03/08/2017 12:56:36 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Who can blame them with the way the democrat party and their media are behaving...we are threatening them...


6 posted on 03/08/2017 1:01:49 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

Yeah, so their proper response is to point nuclear cruise missiles at NATO. Good point. They’re so threatened that they should actually shoot some at the USA, I suppose, to prove they’re the good guys.


7 posted on 03/08/2017 1:04:59 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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To: SecondAmendment

The article fails as a complete report.

While the report uses the term “return to compliance” with the 1987 treaty, now, and cited as hoped by the previous administration, it fails to disclose if any separate Russian government had agreed to, or was previously complying with the agreement.

It presents no time frame as to when compliance with the 1987 treaty ceased on the part of Russia. Is it that there was compliance, for some time after 1987, but it ended, on the part of subsequent Russian government later? When? Why else would the operative phrase be “return to compliance” with the treaty?

Has there been any subsequent U.S.-Russia agreements that pledged to honor the 1987 agreement made with the Soviets? That too you would think a complete report would either mention or mention it never happened.


8 posted on 03/08/2017 1:23:15 PM PST by Wuli
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To: SecondAmendment
As much as I dislike Russia, I don’t see how a treaty made with a different and defunct country (the U.S.S.R) applies to them now.

You apparently don't know very much about Putin. The guy has been in the process of restoring the evil empire for over a decade now. Only this time it will include positions in the strategic oil/gas-rich Middle East. The Russians are pretty good chess players, while most of us, it seems, suck at simple checkers.

9 posted on 03/08/2017 1:41:07 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Thanks for the ping.


10 posted on 03/08/2017 1:41:46 PM PST by ETL (Trump admin apparently playing "good cop, bad cop" with thug Putin (see my FR Home page))
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To: elhombrelibre

Here is the legal problem.

When someone tells you a certain act or omission violates the “the spirit and intent” of any agreement, that means the other side didn’t violate the written agreement, which usually means the other side outsmarted you in the original negotiation.


11 posted on 03/08/2017 1:44:45 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: elhombrelibre

gee gomer
da ya thank its in response to OUR MISSLE DEPLOYMENT,,,,?????
DUH


12 posted on 03/08/2017 2:10:44 PM PST by zzwhale
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To: SecondAmendment

I agree with you, sort of....

The current government are the successor government who assumed all of the liabilities of the previous as a condition of taking control of the armed forces.


13 posted on 03/08/2017 2:23:06 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: ETL

Not communist though, as religious freedom - at least within Christian orthodoxy - has been allowed to flourish.

I’m fair at openings, but usually lose into the middle game.


14 posted on 03/08/2017 3:55:50 PM PST by onedoug
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To: elhombrelibre
violation of "the spirit and intent" of a nuclear arms treaty

In other words, it doesn't really violate the agreement. That's why the actual words on paper matter.

15 posted on 03/08/2017 3:56:50 PM PST by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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To: Strac6
So the IMF treaty prohibited the US from deploying Pershing or Cruise missiles in Italy, West Germany and the UK.

Does that mean we wouldn't be violating the treaty if we deployed Pershing and Cruise in Poland, The Czech Republic, Slovakia or Hungary? Lots of old mines in the Carpathians to stash missiles in.

16 posted on 03/08/2017 4:09:57 PM PST by InABunkerUnderSF (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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To: InABunkerUnderSF

It would depend on the interpretation of the wording of the treaty.... in English, and in Russian, and after about 10,000 billable hours of Senior Partner time, you would have an answer.... probably..... er, possibly.


17 posted on 03/08/2017 6:18:35 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: elhombrelibre

Anyone find odd that sea based cruise missiles are allowed but not land based ones?


18 posted on 03/08/2017 6:27:30 PM PST by RedWulf (#purge the nevertrumpers)
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To: elhombrelibre
...Russia of deploying a land-based cruise missile...

It is called the Flexible.

19 posted on 03/08/2017 7:35:02 PM PST by depressed in 06 (60 in '18.)
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To: zzwhale

Good point. We deploy anti-ballistic missiles to strike incoming missiles from rogue states like Iran, and Russia deploys cruise (potentially nuclear) missiles to the area around Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland. And Putin sure appreciates you seeing things his way. Good for you.


20 posted on 03/08/2017 11:50:40 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Cogito ergo sum a conservative pro-American.)
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