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Assault Weapons Not Protected by Second Amendment, Federal Appeals Court Rules
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Posted on 02/22/2017 10:57:48 AM PST by nickcarraway

Maryland's ban on 45 kinds of assault weapons and its 10-round limit on gun magazines were upheld Tuesday by a federal appeals court in a decision that met with a strongly worded dissent.

In a 10-4 ruling, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond, Virginia, said the guns banned under Maryland's law aren't protected by the Second Amendment.

"Put simply, we have no power to extend Second Amendment protections to weapons of war," Judge Robert King wrote for the court, adding that the Supreme Court's decision in District of Columbia v. Heller explicitly excluded such coverage.


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To: nickcarraway

Is there any type of weapon that can’t be used for assault?


81 posted on 02/22/2017 2:04:15 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: Steamburg
Remember the first revolution started when the King came looking for our cannons not our muskets.

Hmm. I thought the redcoats' target was colonial *gunpowder* (applicable to cannon, musket, rifle, pistol, whatever).

82 posted on 02/22/2017 2:13:05 PM PST by Charles Martel (Progressives are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Actually, from a legal standpoint, always try to get away from and stay away from the entire Militia concept.

Had the second amendment simply said “The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” we would never have given out opponents the ability to claim that people at home are not a “well-regulated militia”

I never want the National Guard to be considered the “organized militia” or some group of 18 to 45 year-olds a militia of any kind. If that is true, we open the avenue for a rather persuasive legal argument that anyone not a member of those two groups does not have a Constitutional right to “keep and bear arms.”

If legislation makes the NG the organized militia, then other legislation can make it NOT the militia.


83 posted on 02/22/2017 2:13:51 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: nickcarraway

I guess this excludes weapons for the WAR ON DRUGS.


84 posted on 02/22/2017 2:13:54 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Bob434

Exactly


85 posted on 02/22/2017 2:14:28 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: nickcarraway

I can change a few words “we have no power to extend First Amendment protections to speech the government opposes.” Let that sink in liberals.


86 posted on 02/22/2017 2:16:07 PM PST by matt04
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To: FlingWingFlyer

And the constitution is there to limit the government not the people.


87 posted on 02/22/2017 2:22:57 PM PST by SERE_DOC ( The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T)
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To: SERE_DOC

Yup.


88 posted on 02/22/2017 2:24:21 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I tried being reasonable, I didn't like it. - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Renegade
Weapon of war:


Now illegal under the "test" required by the fourth Federal Circuit Court of Appeals. This is a "weapon most suited for use by the military;" it certainly has no discernible civilian use. They did not specify which military or when.

89 posted on 02/22/2017 2:30:07 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Tzimisce

We air dropped one shot .45 ACP “Liberator” pistols to the French Resistance and others in WWII to fight the war with NAZI Germany. By this ruling even one shot pistols are “weapons of war.”


90 posted on 02/22/2017 2:40:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Winning. Winning winning winning every day!!!)
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To: mumblypeg
The bill has been in Congress since Dec. 2015.

Any bill not passed by the ending of the session is dead. It has to be re-introduced in the new congress. That bill you are talking about is, if anything a ZOMBIE BILL. . . introduced by a Congress critter hoping to make points with his constituency. It never made it out of committee.

91 posted on 02/22/2017 2:41:36 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Yo-Yo

“...even for self defense in one’s home-the core Second Amendment right.”

Jeez - even the guys that get it right get it wrong. The 2nd does include self defense and was mentioned as a big reason at the time, but it was more to fight off ones OWN government if it became unlawful and unjust (like Britain had done).


92 posted on 02/22/2017 2:50:39 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: 21twelve
Jack Kennedy and Hubert H. Humphrey knew that...

"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia,' the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms,' our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."

President John F. Kennedy

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"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."

Vice President and Senator Hubert H. Humphrey


93 posted on 02/22/2017 2:55:26 PM PST by TigersEye (Winning. Winning winning winning every day!!!)
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To: Charles Martel

Just for clarity and reference sake, I have included a link to the orders from General Gage to Lieut. Colonel Smith, 10th Regiment ’Foot.

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/orders-from-general-thomas-gage-to-lieut-colonel-smith-10th-regiment-foot/


94 posted on 02/22/2017 3:01:02 PM PST by Steamburg (Other people's money is the only language a politician respects; starve the bastards)
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To: Darteaus94025
Is it actually possible to buy an “Assault Weapon”? A full-auto M-4, AK, etc? Really?

No. An "assault weapon" is defined my law as a semi-automatic rifle, not full-auto.

Fully automatic or 3-round burst capable [assault] rifles feature a selector switch. They are issued to military.

95 posted on 02/22/2017 3:22:05 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: Sasparilla; Darteaus94025

>...Is it actually possible to buy an “Assault Weapon”? A full-auto M-4, AK, etc? Really....

Yes, in many states it is. Visit a Class 3 FFL licensee, go through an extensive background check. Get approval from the local law enforcement head, pay a federal transfer fee, and bring LOTS of cash.
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Yes. None of which is an ‘infringement’ per the same unconstitutional triad.

I mean, it’s not like they won’t ALLOW one to purchase a full-auto, right? Just a few...hurdles. /s

Everything from ‘34 up as illegal and void as the day it was ‘passed’.


96 posted on 02/22/2017 3:34:45 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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How can a court Constitutionally declare any of these firearms as “Weapons of war” when that term has not been clearly defined? It’s an opinion and open to interpretation. That definition would need to come from Congress for him to rule on whether on not those firearms fall within that scope.
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The whole ‘gun control’ charade was begun on the Judiciary ‘defining’ such as these. IIRC, it was the sawed-off shotgun (trench sweeper) vs. barrel length. We are to be surprised that another step, in the totalitarian take-over, was taken??

We’ve had almost 100yrs. of Judicial tyranny, and not ONE person willing to stand up to ‘em (unless it was from the Left; packing the Court).

Removal from the bench has seemed to be only when the graft/corruption is so intense that it gives the public notice to the fallacy of the whole of govt. They stamp out that ember ASAP and the Public goes back into their lull of willful ignorance.


97 posted on 02/22/2017 3:44:07 PM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: Darteaus94025
Is it actually possible to buy an “Assault Weapon”? A full-auto M-4, AK, etc? Really?

Yes, really!

Machine Guns Are Legal: A Practical Guide to Full Auto

Jump through the right hoops...

98 posted on 02/22/2017 3:48:55 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamiin Franklin)
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To: Renegade
Other weapons that would fail the Fourth Circuit Court's test:

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American Indian Stone War Club, c. 1750 (a "weapon of war," suitable for use by the Indian military.)


Roman Gladius Short Sword (possession limited to Roman Soldiers, a "weapon of war," used by the Roman military.)


British Longbow and arrow (c. 800 AD a "weapon of war," which could penetrate light armor, and was the subject of arms control. Primarily used by the military.)


English Crossbow, c. 1360. (a "weapon of war," forbidden to be owned by any but the military.


Brown Bess Musket .58 Cal., (the weapon of the British military Troops in the Revolutionary war,
a "weapon of war.")


Harpers Ferry Percussion Musket, Model of 1855 (many militiamen would bring such a
"weapon of war" when mustered to go fight the Civil War on either side.)


Colt 1860 Army Revolver (note the monicker "Army" and was certainly used as a "weapon of war"
A military weapon.)


Colt Single Action Army (Along with the Smith & Wesson Model 3 Schofield, the military sidearm of the U.S. Army from 1873 to 1893, these were definitely a "weapon of war.")


Springfield .45-70 Trapdoor Rifle (primary rifle of the U.S. Army from 1873 to 1892.
Certainly a "weapon of war," designed for military use.


Smith &. Wesson Military and Police .38 Special (again note the monicker "Military) in the model name,
although originally ordered by the US Army and Navy in .38 Long Colt in 1899. Military requests for a
heavier, more powerful round resulted in S&W creating the .38 S&W Special, a longer, heavier load that
became the most popular bullet of the 20th century. Certainly a "weapon of war," since it was developed
in response to a request by the U.S. military!


1860 U.S. Army Light Cavalry Saber (certainly has no civilian purpose and is definitely a "weapon of war.")


Winchester Model of 1897 12 gauge Shotgun (designed by Winchester for use in the trenches by soldiers,
it is a "weapon of war" and operates just like any other pump shotgun, although it will mount a bayonet.)

Every one of these is a "weapon of war," and would have failed the test the Fourth Circuit Court applied to the 2nd Amendment at one time or another. Every single one of these is an "assault weapon" because they can be used to assault someone or attack a military position.

99 posted on 02/22/2017 4:06:59 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: nickcarraway

The NRA will soon have a Congressional Bill it will be asking Paul Ryan to sponsor.


100 posted on 02/22/2017 4:48:27 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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