Posted on 02/17/2017 3:13:43 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Elon Musk announced plans to start digging a traffic-easing tunnel under Los Angeles “in a month or so”, but city planning bodies say he doesn’t yet have permission.
The SpaceX and Tesla CEO has been mulling the idea since December, when he revealed his frustrations with congestion in the city. “Traffic is driving me nuts. Am going to build a tunnel boring machine and just start digging,” he said on Twitter.
“It shall be called The Boring Company,” he added. “Boring, it’s what we do.”
At the time it wasn’t clear whether he was joking, but today’s announcement suggested he was not.
Elon Musk (@elonmusk)Exciting progress on the tunnel front. Plan to start digging in a month or so. January 25, 2017
Musk claimed he would start to drill the tunnel near his office at SpaceX, which is in the city of Hawthorne in Los Angeles County, a short distance from LAX airport. He didn’t revealed any further details of his planned route but did consider the risk of earthquakes.
Responding to a Twitter user worried about the impact of a quake on the tunnel, he said: “Earthquakes tend to have the biggest effect on the surface, like waves on water. That’s why LA can have a (lame, but getting better) subway.”
The Guardian contacted several of the bodies involved in decision-making about new infrastructure in the area. Arnold Shadbehr, the city manager of Hawthorne, told the Guardian: “They have been in preliminary engineering mode and in discussions with us back and forth since a few months ago, but no permit has been issued yet.”
Neither the Los Angeles department of city planning nor the bureau of engineering were aware of any permit applications or even contact from Musk or his team. A spokeswoman from the bureau of engineering said that building a tunnel beneath any public right of way would require city council approval.
The California department of transportation spokesman said there was no permit application for “any such work submitted”.
“Nor was there any conceptual meeting by any potential permit applicant for such a proposal within Los Angeles and Ventura Counties (District 7).”
Even if Musk were to get approval, there are a couple of additional hurdles he would need to overcome. The first is the incredible challenge of digging tunnels. Tunnels under Boston and Seattle have experienced enormous, unexpected and expensive problems while under construction. Boston’s ‘Big Dig’ tunnel project cost upwards of $15bn, while the Highway 99 Seattle project has been delayed by two years because of a broken down tunnel machine called Bertha.
The second – and this one’s a biggie – is that it’s not clear that adding such a tunnel would have the desired effect. A number of studies have shown that creating wider or new roads reduces congestion in the short term, but not in the long term. Less traffic encourages more people to consider driving, a phenomenon known as “induced demand”. It’s a paradox that’s well known by the California department of transportation, which released a paper in November 2015 titled Increasing Highway Capacity Unlikely to Relieve Traffic Congestion.
my family owned land in LA County which had a lot of oil under it. And some years ago the oil companies pumped so much oil out that it was believed by some geologists to have been the proximate cause of a big earthquake.
drilling under LA County is not so simple...or safe...really....
and yes, there are also all those Dinosaurs under there, too!
how would you like to have Musk’s big drill invade your living room if you were a dinosaur?
(Actually, they say they only found big mammoths at the La Brea Tar Pits, but everyone always thinks they found dinos too and just aren’t fessing up to it because dinos are a “protected species” in CA, ha!)
They really need to get rid of the car pool lane. I use to drive the 405 thru the pass and see the half empty lane.
Ah, this isn’t all that different than the argument I had in 2015 with someone about the wall.
She too was convinced that it was impossible.
its not impossible, i just cant figure out why he wants to do it
it is pretty weird, imho, to want to spend tons of money digging holes like a gopher
why would they approve it when they can build it for 10 times more and take 5 times longer.
Has anyone noticed that Musk looks a lot like Le Chiffre in the recent Casino Royale movie? What’s all that about.
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