Posted on 02/15/2017 11:54:48 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
I can’t believe I’m writing this after the administration has been in office for 26 days, but here goes. The idea that Donald Trump is now inexorably on a path to impeachment has taken almost gleeful hold in the wake of the Michael Flynn resignation among liberal elites and anti-Trumpers generally—and everybody better stop and take a deep breath and consider what might arise from this. This isn’t fire we’re playing with, it’s a nuclear war.
That Trump might somehow be deus-ex-machina-ed out of public life has been a consistent feature of the past 20 months. He won’t run gave way to He’s only in it for the publicity to He only wants to show Obama he’s not to be trifled with but he doesn’t want to be president so he’ll drop out to We’ll deny him a first-ballot victory at the convention and then the party pooh-bahs can take over and find a new candidate to His poll numbers are so bad he’ll quit and let Mike Pence run against Hillary to The Access Hollywood tape will finally do him in…and then he won. Now that he’s president, the question I’m asked constantly is “will he serve out his first term.” The wish is father to the hope here; only the vilest and most monstrous of crimes has led to a negative answer to that question (save in the case of the first President Harrison, who caught a cold from not wearing a coat on Inauguration Day in 1841 and died a month later). No one has ever willingly or voluntarily given up the presidency.
The dream of his self-willed departure is just that—a dream. Which then leads to the question of whether his behavior or choices or emoluments will lead to his impeachment and removal from office. Remember, impeachment is not removal. It is an indictment of the president, brought about by a vote of the House of Representatives, which then refers the case to the Senate. The Senate tries the case and can only remove the president from office with a two-thirds vote.
Presidents have twice been impeached (Johnson, Clinton) and neither was removed. Nixon resigned but that was to avoid his impeachment, which would surely have led to his removal.
Let’s play with this scenario for the moment. The only way Trump will be impeached—by a Republican House!—is if there is unshakable, inarguable, and (forgive me) unimpeachable evidence that he has committed a crime as president. The Constitution requires this, actually; he must be accused of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors. He has to have done something specific. He must, in effect, be charged. How on earth could this happen when Republicans hold a 50-seat majority in the House? Even if he mugs an old lady on Pennsylvania Avenue, it’s hard to see that happening sheerly as a matter of politics unless something catastrophic happens to his poll numbers. By which I mean, he needs to have become so overwhelmingly unpopular already that Republicans in the House who come from districts Trump won need to know that their constituents will not punish them for voting to impeach.
By catastrophic, I mean his numbers have to go lower than anyone’s have ever gone—lower than Bush’s in late 2008, lower than Carter’s in the summer of 1979, lower than Nixon’s in the summer of 1974.
And even so—even so—unless the evidence is beyond question and beyond all argument, this is an incredibly dangerous thing for people to be speculating about openly. Already pro-Trump voices on the right are calling the leaks that led to Michael Flynn’s firing evidence of an attempted coup d’etat. The fevered use of such terms is part and parcel of the way in which social media amplifies the melodrama of daily news stories.
I am myself unnerved by the evidence of high-level lawlessness in the Flynn matter, but a “coup d’etat” refers specifically to a military ouster of a leader, not a leak-driven campaign using the press to nail someone. This is sure to persist, though, if the Flynn-Russia matter accelerates—and if the reluctant House and Senate do begin investigating the matter in earnest. If the language surrounding the investigation remains florid and purple, if Democrats try to please their Trump-hating constituents by screaming impeachment and liberal media tries to garner audience by jumping openly and vociferously on the bandwagon, the Trumpians will respond in kind by stirring the pot through their media and their argumentation.
The result might well be violence. Not rhetorical violence. Actual violence. Actual political violence. Actual conflicts between anti-Trumpers and Trumpers. At demonstrations. In the streets. Of our cities. Political violence of a sort we haven’t seen in 50 years, and maybe haven’t really seen in this country in the modern era. Those who believe Trump is a unique menace whose threat to our democratic way of life will be met with those who believe the elites are using illicit means to oust the legitimately elected president of the United States.
This is not a fantasy. This is one possible future. And every rational person who cares about the future of the country should be mindful of it, and should work to forestall it.
The 22 gets no respect. It should terrify any sane person. It was invented in a time when they were putting theory into practice too.
It wasn’t a fun gun to them.
Prepare for anything is a very true line.
I think Trump will win.
God is on his side.
Illegal actions, if not outright felonies, are sometimes necessary to (re)establish republics. Romulus murdered his brother, created a senate, and with it, the Roman Republic. Closer to home, George Washington occasionally resorted to the confiscation of private property in order to feed and keep his soldiers. Machiavelli wrote, “It is truly appropriate that while the act accuses him, the result excuses him, and when the result is good, like that of Romulus, it will always excuse him, because one should reproach a man who is violent in order to ruin things, not one who is so in order to set them aright.”
Such men, Machiavellian Men, who use power to establish free institutions that outlive them, are rare.
The opinion of so-called judge Robart was a judicial coup of executive power granted by our Constitution.
The return of Free Government is impossible with reform of the corrupt scotus.
Rioting in an area controlled by the secret service is a Major felony now too!
True, but for distance without going ballistically expensive, the 204 ruger is a sweet round. Works great on any varmint, even human sized, and being up to a quarter mile away or more you have lots of escape options not available to the 22.
I guess there are some who believe that the removal of President Trump would result in Hillary or some other democrat becoming president. In the insane event that Trump left office, Vice President Pence would become president and would appoint a new vice president who would then be next in line. There is no where in the line for a democrat.
Agreed. There’s been talk of a civil war.....the outcome of widespread violence would not work out real well for them. It just wouldn’t..
>Agreed. There’s been talk of a civil war.....the outcome of widespread violence would not work out real well for them. It just wouldn’t..
War is never that cut and dry nor do the leftists see it that way. They think they will win. Best to make the cost of fighting so high that they don’t dare it.
Economical, too. Easy to imagine that a person so inclined during Clinton administration could buy a brick a month on shopping trips into town Walmart; and in 25 years time, would have a mighty impressive stockpile. Quiet. Economical. Effective.
Nixon could have survived if the GOP didn’t bail on him like a bunch of little wusses. Watergate wasn’t bleep compared to Clinton/Obama scandals that went unpunished. The break in itself was practically nothing with the coverup being the source of the angst.
What actually happened couldn’t have worked out worse for Republicans, Nixon quit, GOP got handed it’s butt in 1974 midterm anyway, Ford put a liberal on the Supreme Court and then lost to a GD peanut farmer.
Contrast democrats, who almost all stuck with Clinton, who was caught red-handed personally committing perjury.
“Peanuthead”.
The show “Baskets” has relevancy here.
All RATS suck, period.
You’d have to go to...¿James Polk?...to find a good one.
And the notions that “JFK” is a:
-Hero
-Conservative
-Saint
are as f***ing stupid as saying the Moon is made out of Swiss Cheese. Wrong. Impossible.
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