Putin Criticizes Western Countries for Abandoning Christian Roots

Over half the countries you list are not part of the traditional Russian sphere of influence or old empire.

You list them with the intent to deceive.

That is the calling card of Neoconservatives. To conflate the ravages of the Soviet Union with the old empire.

And to do so with the intent of inciting war. A war this nation does not want and will not fight.

Neoconservatives are the enemy of the American people and should be tried and hanged for treason.

Yeah, that's why Putin has interfered in these nations. It's why he's sent more nuclear weapons near them. Nuclear submarines into Sweden's territorial water. Russian planes buzzing Ireland and the UK's airspace. It's why he has large numbers of battalions on the borders of some of these countries previously listed. It's part of my neo-con plot to cause war that I mention it to a guy like you.

I understand why you want to execute people who don't buy into Putin's goals. It's the way the Russian mind works. If someone disagrees with the state, kill them. Put them in prisons.

But I'll play your silly game. Which countries do you believe Putin should gobble up as a part of the old Russian Empire, the ones where he should kill people in, as a legitimate act of Just War?

“Yet presidents of the United States must not be encouraged to make Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace, nor to fancy that they can establish a New World Order through eliminating dissenters. In the second century before Christ, the Romans generously liberated the Greek city-states from the yoke of Macedonia. But it was not long before the Romans felt it necessary to impose upon those quarrelsome Greeks a domination more stifling to Hellenic freedom and culture than ever Macedon had been. It is a duty of the Congress of the United States to see that great American Caesars do not act likewise.”

- Russel Kirk 1992.

How can a sane man argue with a liar?

So you’re quoting Russel Kirk in support of Russian Imperialism under president-for-life Putin? I guess you think, in all fairness, that Kirk would have advocate for Russian chauvinism and American appeasement of Russia. Weird. You’re like Buchanan. He opposes American Empire and is happy with Putin doing it.

Why would you argue with me unless you want the USA and American allies dominated by Putin?

But McInsane, Linda and the NeoCons hate Russia, surely we must trust their judgment?

"Neoconservatives are the enemy of the American people and should be tried and hanged for treason."

Bingo.

What type of conservative advocates killing people who don’t agree 100% with him on a thread about Christianity?

I have been thinking about how God has always used unlikely people to accomplish His purposes. The first coming to mind is David, a seriously flawed man was anointed by God to do great things. But there are others, both scripturally and throughout history. Perhaps Trump is one tapped to do His work in our time, perhaps - maybe Putin.

just some thoughts

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A further challenge for the national Russian identity is connected to the processes we observe outside of Russia. They include foreign policy, moral, and other aspects. We see that many Euro-Atlantic states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization.

In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied - national, religious, cultural, and even gender identities are being denied or relativised. There, politics treats a family with many children as juridically equal to a homosexual partnership; faith in God is equal to faith in Satan. The excesses and exaggerations of political correctness in these countries indeed leads to serious consideration for the legitimization of parties that promote the propaganda of paedophilia.

The people in many European states are actually ashamed of their religious affiliations and are indeed frightened to speak about them. Christian holidays and celebrations are abolished or "neutrally" renamed, as if one were ashamed of those Christian holidays. With this method one hides away the deeper moral value of those celebrations.

And these countries try to force this model onto other nations, globally. I am deeply convinced that this is a direct way to the degradation and primitivization of culture. This leds to deeper demographic and moral crisis in the West.

What can be better evidence for the moral crisis of human society in the West than the loss of its reproductive function? And today nearly all "developed" Western countries cannot survive reproductively, not even with the help of migrants.

Without the moral values that are rooted in Christianity and other world religions, without rules and moral values which have formed, and been developed, over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity and become brutes. And we think it is right and natural to defend and preserve these Christian moral values.

One has to respect the right of every minority to self-determination, but at the same time there cannot and must not be any doubt about the rights of the majority.

At the same time as this process plays out at a national level in the West, we observe on an international level the attempts to create a unipolar, unified model of the world, to relativise and remove institutions of international rights and national sovereignty. In such a unipolar, unified world there is no place for sovereign states. Such a world needs merely vassals.

From a historical perspective, such a unipolar world would mean the surrender of one's own identity and of God-created diversity.

Trump has two important world allies in the fight against Islam.

Putin sent Russia's Spetsnaz special forces went on bloody revenge missions against local (Muslim) jihad units.....to punish them for atrocities against Russian troops and civilians.

Putin, a practicing Christian, is consistent----he backed Egyptian president al Sisi in throwing the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egyptian politics.

Putin also backed al Sisi when the Egyptian president vowed to rebuild the churches and Christian businesses destroyed by the Muslim savages. Onetime Egypt strongman (and Muslim Brother) Morsi has been sentenced to life in prison.

President Al Sisi is the first global leader to contact Trump to congratulate him on his election.

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ITEM Hillary and Obama are still defending Muslims.

BACKSTORY In Egypt's post-Morsi era, then-Gen al Sisi (now Egyptian president) refused to take Obama's phone call---b/c he knew Obama wanted al Sisi to leave the M/B alone.

Nevertheless, Gen al Sisi proceeded to smash the M/B and throw them out of Egyptian politics....he vowed to rebuild the 65 Christian churches the M/B had savagely torched.

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It should be remembered that while Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were ruling Egypt, Obama and Hillary showered them with praise and provided billions of dollars in aid, arms, tanks and planes. Egypt has unceremoniously thrown the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egyptian politics.... and hasn’t forgotten the support offered to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt under al-Sisi has now charged Obama and Hillary Clinton for conspiring and collaborating with the M/B and advancing their terrorist activities.

Looks like Hillary can check-off Egypt as NOT a partner in her sap-happy foreign policy ally list.

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POINT TO PONDER The Clinton Foundation employee, Gehad al Haddad, who was also a Muslim Brotherhood activist AT THE SAME TIME has been jailed by the Egyptian govt. (reported by H/T Western Journalism).

Gehad means jihad in Farsi.

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AS FREEPER CLAUD POSTED---- I don’t follow Egyptian politics, but it was no secret Morsi et al. had no love for the Copts. Then when I saw al-Sisi visit a Coptic Church in Cairo to huge cheers, his kindness and graciousness to the Christians there and to the Patriarch (to whom he apologized profusely for interrupting prayers), that told me all I needed to know about Obama’s Egypt policy. It is unfathomable how utterly, completely, perversely wrong our government was in Egypt. Obama is a loathsome human being.

NOTES---Pres al-Sisi is one of the world's master strategists......bold, decisive and unerring. He received his master's degree at a Pennsylvania War College in Carlisle PA, in 2006.2015

I have far more admiration & respect for Putin, than our current (and soon to be exiting) rat bastard anti-American, anti-Jewish president odumboshiite

Looks like Russia is the last great firewall between Christianity and barbarism. We, in the west, sold out to Planned Parenthood's abortion barbarism, homosexuality and political correctness. Putin actually gets it. We should thank God there is still one nation openly committed to defending Christian ideals.

Hard to believe---but Putin is a devout Christian....
he always carries a cross given to him by his mother.

Putin vocally decried Christian slaughter by Muzzies in Egypt and defended Egyptian President al-Sisi in his efforts to drive the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egyptian politics. Putin backed al-Sisi's vow to rebuild the 63 churches torched by Muzzies who rampaged over Christian homes and businesses.

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Putin’s impressive debut on the NYT op-ed page announced his personally-held beliefs thusly: "......when we ask for the Lord's blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal."

This is something every Christian believes---an article of faith for Christians.....and, not coincidentally, the bedrock of our constitutional republic........

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We, the people, know we will never hear Obama say anything even remotely religious.

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Perhaps nothing more powerfully symbolizes Putin's attempt to transition back to Russia's religious heritage than the recent installation of a huge bronze statue of Vladimir the Great on Borovitskaya Ploshchad, right next to the Kremlin and the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.

Prince Vladimir, or Vladimir the Great, also known as Saint Vladimir,
historically marks the era of Christianity after the era of paganism in Russia.

Yes, Christianity provides the plumb line to use in building and maintaining a good, just society. In essence, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God - the creator, enabler, sustainer.

“...ave taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization. ...”

A former KGB intelligence officer... who GETS it. Emphasis on “Intelligence”... unlike the leftist idiots we have here.

Guy loves his country and his people.

As a Christian lover of Western Civilization who has spent much time in Russia, I posted a thread, but felt compelled to paste it within this one as the discussion as already been going.

December 26 marked the 25 year anniversary of the fall of the Soviet Union and the year 2017 will mark 100 years since the Russian Revolution. In light of all the other revolutions going on in the world and our country right now—great and small, it is incumbent on us to glean what lessons we can learn.

Here’s what I wrote:

Russia has long had a history of cherishing the very best and very worst of Western culture and thought: and running with it to its maximal point.

Where they went right: Artistically and culturally.

To this day, The Hermitage museum in Saint Petersburg remains the gatekeeper to some of the greatest treasures of Western art. The centerpiece of the museum is arguably Rembrandt van Rijn’s “Prodigal Son” - a monumental testament to God’s patient, redemptive love to a soul gone astray. (How fitting, the painting be of an elderly Father waiting to embrace his rebellious son in his arms again — an analogy which can apply to nations as well.)

In walking through the museum, one enters into the heart and soul of our civilization, while uncovering the layers and layers of beauty and faith that much of the modern world has kept hid. It is quite the experience. Of course there are museums and such sites all over Europe, but in Russia, a historically much poorer, wartorn, and often isolated country, these treasures are guarded and valued with extra care. The appreciation for that which is timeless and transcendent is palpable. It’s a feeling, which in our American society, often gets drowned out by consumerism and materialism.

Taking from Western ideals and values, and then putting their own spin on it, the great masters of Russian literature, ballet, theater, film, and classical music continue to stir the souls of many throughout the world...sensitizing us to the beauty, but also the pain and mystery of existence. Unfortunately, this melding of the best of Western values with an “Eastern” spin has not played out in Russia’s political history, rather, it was the worst of Western values that found their realization in Russia.

The Russian Empire took its neighboring European models of social aristocracy to extremes and the Soviet Union took the worst of Darwin, Engels, and Marx (all Westerners mind you!) and sought to literally reprogram civilization without its divine Creator.

And when the Soviet Union fell, Russia was trapped by its legacy of inorganic social development. What I mean by inorganic: historically, Russia’s allegiance to Eastern Orthodoxy meant it was not a Western, full-fledged Catholic country loyal to Rome. Thus, it skipped over the natural flow and progression of movements such as the Renaissance, and the Protestant Reformation. Then, at certain points after the fact, Russia would come face to face with their Western neighbors and become aware of their “backwardness” and proceed to embark upon a rush to catch up. The Russian Empire captured the tail end of the secular Enlightenment, while the Soviet Union rushed to implement the fruit of the Industrial and Scientific revolutions.

Fast forward to the 1990s: Russia began to adopt all the *external* trappings of consumer-capitalism, without forging the moral and spiritual foundations necessary for political and social freedom. Our American founders understood freedom cannot exist without the rule of law. *Divine* Law. Adam Smith himself understood that capitalism without virtue was doomed. (See: his “Theory on Moral Sentiments”) - and this is just as true for us as it is for any country.

Therefore, the fall of the Soviet Union left a vacuum that affected every area of society: Socially, the country experienced freedom without law. Economically, the decentralization of the economy led to a scramble and plundering of Russia’s resources — the spoils of which were split between a handful of robber baron oligarchs. Geographically, pre-Soviet borders and ethno-religious lines had to be redrawn, which meant a revival of tribal conflict.

Spiritually, the whole of the religious spectrum descended upon the country from Evangelical missionaries to Scientologists, which brought much confusion from the outside. From the inside, Russia continues to contend with their Orthodoxy, their Soviet atheism, an add to that their pre-Christian Slavic paganism. (Today, practicing witch doctors outnumber medical ones.)

Morally, a previously sheltered public was suddenly exposed to all the social mores of the outside world without a compass or standard to measure their value. And finally, there was the burden of shame: their defeat in the Cold War and the shattering of a national narrative predicated upon their victory in World War II and their perceived technological, military superiority over the West.

Putin came to power just as the country was hungering for some semblance of order and unity, and he succeeded, at least in the superficial sense. For a time. Unfortunately, his economic rules of engagement involved fattening the pockets of oligarchs who agreed to play by his rules. He allowed just enough of Russia’s oil wealth to seep into the general population, which saw their standards of living rise dramatically. But all the while he runs a government based on KGB ethics, suppressing dissent and freedom of speech, and putting media outlets under state control. The economy is largely re-centralized and wholly dependent on the price of oil.

Indeed at first glance, he seems to tout Russia’s supposed lessons pulled from the ash heap of the militant, atheist experiment that was the USSR. Yet he is also largely responsible for the revival of Soviet nostalgia among the populace — as a tool for social cohesion. Today, Josef Stalin is viewed by many people —young and old alike, as a necessary and successful, albeit imperfect leader. The Orthodox Church has seen genuine revival, but it is again falling into the same trap of political and economic alliances that brought about much of the anti-church sentiments that even preceded the 1917 Revolution.

There is a genuine conundrum felt among the faithful, between their faith and their patriotism. (Patriotism and nationalism go hand in hand with respect for the Soviet legacy—the very legacy which outlawed their faith!)

Therefore, on one hand: Putin’s Russia has much to offer in the way of helping the West recover what we have lost. On the other hand, let’s not forget the very ideals that are currently destroying and even created the European Union echo the very Soviet Union which Putin and his Russia still hope to celebrate as oppose to repent of: socialism, secularism, and the bureaucratization of the human spirit.

Russia has not properly grieved nor repented of their Soviet past, this holds them back. On the other hand, their refusal to tow the Western line of political correctness is their strength.

Most Russians innately understand why the Soviet Union was doomed, and they continue to marvel and even envy America for its innovation, freedom, and way of life. But they are more committed than ever to forging their own unique ethnic and cultural identity, distinct and separate from the West. The search for who they are continues...

Nice.

Today, Josef Stalin is viewed by many people —young and old alike, as a necessary and successful, albeit imperfect leader.

Much like Stalin's hero, Ivan the Terrible. Most modern Russians don't see Stalin as a Communist, like they do Lenin, or Brezhnev. They don't even bother with his ideology, they just see him as the kind of strongman leader they admire, it's in their DNA.

Yet he is also largely responsible for the revival of Soviet nostalgia among the populace — as a tool for social cohesion. Today, Josef Stalin is viewed by many people —young and old alike, as a necessary and successful, albeit imperfect leader.

Because of this, and this alone, I will always find it difficult to side with the Russians on anything. Remember: they're still the only country on the planet that can destroy the US. And if things had gone just a little differently in October 1962, most of us probably wouldn't be here discussing this.