Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The US plans to ban smoking in public housing — but will it work?
http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/17/13987432/smoking-ban-public-housing-urban-development-health ^ | Dec 17, 2016 | Alessandra Potenza

Posted on 12/18/2016 5:13:06 PM PST by Drango

April Simpson has been living in the Queensbridge Houses, a public housing development in Queens, New York, her whole life. “From day one. I was born here,” she says, proudly.

When she walks among the iconic six-story, red-brick buildings, passersby say hi to her and kiss her on the cheek. Everyone seems to know her. Simpson, a charismatic 54-year-old with buzzed short hair and a broad smile, is the Queensbridge tenants’ association president. She’s also a smoker. But come 2017, under a new federal rule, she won’t be allowed to light up one of her Newport cigarettes inside the housing development where she lives.

Simpson is in favor of the smoking ban, but she also thinks it will be “extremely hard” to enforce. “You just can’t say, ‘You can’t smoke anymore’ to a person who’s been smoking for 20 years or even 10 years,” she says. “It’s like putting a lollipop in front of child and saying, ‘You can’t have it’ without giving them alternatives.”

April Simpson, a resident of the Queensbridge Houses, is trying to quit smoking It’s not clear yet what those alternatives will be. The nationwide smoking ban was announced last month by the US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). It will go into effect starting in the new year, but local housing authorities will have a year and a half to implement smoke-free policies. For now, public housing agencies around the country are still trying to figure out how to enforce the ban, including how to punish violators.

The reasons for the ban, which will affect more than 940,000 households, are obvious: smoking increases the risks of stroke, heart disease, and lung cancer, as well as other types of cancers almost anywhere in your body. Second-hand smoke can be just as bad, especially for children, who get exposed to higher risks of asthma attacks, respiratory infections, and ear infections. But smoking doesn’t stop at the doorway: studies have shown that children who live in smoke-free apartments with neighbors who smoke get exposed to tobacco chemicals. The US Surgeon General also concluded in 2006 that “separating smokers from nonsmokers, cleaning the air, and ventilating buildings cannot eliminate exposure to secondhand smoke.” The only way to do it is by banning indoor smoking altogether. (Smoking indoor also increases the risk of fires, and it costs housing authorities millions of dollars in repairs, renovations, and property damage.)

"Every child deserves to grow up in a safe, healthy home free from harmful second-hand cigarette smoke," HUD Secretary Julián Castro said when the ban was announced. "HUD's smoke-free rule is a reflection of our commitment to using housing as a platform to create healthy communities."

The public housing development Queensbridge Houses in Queens, New York, is the city’s largest Many public housing residents are in favor of the ban. During a period of public comment, the HUD received more than a 1,000 letters from authorities and tenants. Many of them applauded the smoke-free policy for promoting healthier environments in public housing. “If they want to smoke it is their business, but I do not want smoke/smell their cigarettes,” Andreza Campbell, a 40-year-old resident of Ravenswood, another public housing development in Queens, New York, wrote in an email to The Verge. “I hate cigarettes because it makes me have crises of sinusitis.”

But not everyone is on board. Some see the smoking ban as an overreach on the government’s part. “It is an infringement of the peoples [sic] civil liberties,” one public housing resident in Bay City, Michigan, wrote in a letter to the HUD. “What about the tenants who are wheelchair bound. Is government to tell them they cannot smoke in their own house? That is clearly discrimination.”

The rule prohibits residents from smoking inside their apartments, in hallways and other indoor public areas, as well as outdoors within 25 feet of housing and office buildings. It covers cigarettes, cigars, pipes, and hookahs, but not electronic cigarettes. That’s because research on e-cigs “lacks clear consensus” on health effects, and there’s little evidence that e-cigs increase the risks of fire, a HUD spokesperson wrote in an email to The Verge.

Since 2009, the HUD has been encouraging public housing agencies to go smoke-free. And some housing developments have already chosen to ban smoking. They provide a model of how the nationwide smoking ban could be enforced. In Miami-Dade County, Florida, for example, where some of the privately owned public housing units ban smoking, violators get two warnings and possibly a fine of up to $50, says Michael Liu, the director of the Miami-Dade County Public Housing and Community Development Department. The third time they’re caught, they get a more formal notice that could lead to eviction if the tenant keeps smoking. However, no one has ever been evicted due to the smoking ban, Liu says, and residents seem to comply without problems. “Our policy is very forgiving,” Liu says.

“WHAT’S GOING TO BE THE REPRIMAND?” In San Francisco, where smoking leases began to be phased out in 2010, tenants who smoke are sent a warning letter. But there’s no one-size-fits-all punishment — instead, violators are dealt with individually, says Rose Marie Dennis, a public information officer at the San Francisco Housing Authority. And tenants have responded well to the smoke-free policies, she says.

At Queensbridge Houses, in New York, Simpson fears implementing the ban won’t be as easy. The New York City Housing Authority (NYCHA) — the largest housing agency in the US with more than 400,000 residents — already prohibits smoking in the buildings’ hallways and common areas. But residents smoke indoors anyway, especially when it’s cold out, and the smoke-free policies aren’t enforced, Simpson says. Big signs inside every Queensbridge building say that violators could receive “penalties” and even be evicted. “What’s going to be the reprimand?” Simpson says. “If you get caught smoking in your apartment, your lease is going to be terminated and you’re gonna be put out into the street over a cigarette?”

The HUD says that’s not how the ban should be enforced. “The last thing that we want are evictions,” a HUD spokesperson wrote in an email to The Verge. “We encourage [public housing authorities] to work with residents so it doesn’t get to that point.”

A sign inside each building at Queensbridge Houses says residents can’t smoke in common areas — subject to penalties or eviction Alessandra Potenza / The Verge But Simpson says the ban will be hard to enforce if residents won’t be given the resources necessary to quit smoking — like free access to smoking cessation groups, counseling, and smoking cessation aids like nicotine patches and gums. “Cigarette smoking is an addiction,” she says. “You can’t tell people to stop smoking without giving them the resources to quit smoking.”

NYCHA declined to comment on whether it will provide smoking cessation programs when the ban goes into place. Other public housing authorities with smoke-free policies say that they use education, counseling, and smoking cessation to help residents quit. Liu, at the Miami-Dade County Public Housing, says that residents who violate smoking bans are referred to the state Department of Health for help to quit. “It could be challenging, but if we approach it in the spirit of wanting to help and providing material to help educate,” he says, the smoking ban “will ultimately be successful.”

Simpson, on her part, hopes it will be. She has leukemia and her doctors have told her to quit smoking. She goes to a smoking cessation group run by New York Presbyterian Hospital and she’s down to eight or nine cigarettes a day from 16. Maybe not being able to smoke in her apartment next year will help. “I don’t want to continue to smoke; I know it’s bad for my health,” she says. “I’m not trying to stop smoking because HUD put this in place. I wanna see my grandchildren graduate. I wanna be at my granddaughters’ weddings when they get married one day.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: smoking
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last
To: Company Man

“”Every child deserves to grow up in a safe, healthy home free from harmful second-hand cigarette smoke””

Check out Chicago, HUD... No danger there to kids, is there? Not only no shootings but no drugs left on coffee tables for toddlers to reach and die from ingesting them? Nope. Once government regulations control everything, all problems go away.


21 posted on 12/18/2016 5:29:09 PM PST by Thank You Rush
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Drango; SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; ...

Pinging the actual Nanny State PING list this time.

My aunt died earlier this year from pulmonary fibrosis. Her smoking from the 1960s to the 1990s undoubtedly contributed to it.

My mother currently is on oxygen from a combination of COPD, lung sarcoidosis, asthma and allergies. Her smoking from the 1960s to 1995 undoubtedly contributed to the COPD and sarcoidosis.

Nonetheless, I hope Dr. Carson will reverse this draconian ban. As you have said yourself, Drango, these folks are addicts. As such, good luck in getting them all to quit with this edict. If we are going to impose this ban on our tenants (we being the taxpayers represented by Fedzilla), it would also behoove us to provide rehab services to help them quit.

Big, Uber-Federal Nanny State PING!


22 posted on 12/18/2016 5:29:32 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Hey, New Delhi! What the hell were you thinking???)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Drango

How does someone living in public housing afford cigarettes? I went through a brief period of unemployment in 2008. That’s when I kicked the habit. Of course, no one was subsidizing my housing, food, or anything.


23 posted on 12/18/2016 5:29:48 PM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drango
The US plans to ban smoking in public housing — but will it work?

Wow, just think of the fine revenue! Whatta goldmine!

Except for the pot smokers who will be exempt.

24 posted on 12/18/2016 5:30:45 PM PST by Navy Patriot (America, a Rule of Mob nation)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: A_perfect_lady

It’s “good” for her. Why should she change? She does not want to; having a permanent silver spoon in your mouth must be hard.


25 posted on 12/18/2016 5:31:18 PM PST by Fungi (Having my fungus and eating it too.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

good luck in getting them all to quit with this edict
= = =

Make another law/regulation that no one will follow.

Makes the real laws less respected.

Kind of like when a Prez (Billy, or bo) ignores the law.

Why should I?


26 posted on 12/18/2016 5:32:00 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (LOTS of /s)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Drango

Obama’s doing what?


27 posted on 12/18/2016 5:32:47 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jmacusa

Ban beer and coffee too. Might as well have some really out of control, enraged residents.


28 posted on 12/18/2016 5:32:58 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: relictele
“From day one. I was born here,”

"I wash born here, an I wash raished here, and dad gum it, I am gonna die here, an no sidewindin' bushwackin', hornswagglin' cracker croaker is gonna rouin me bishen cutter."

29 posted on 12/18/2016 5:33:37 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: gnawbone
This would essentially end up being Trump evicting the poor, inner city black poor. The left would have a field day with it.

Dr Ben Carson will have a big say in the policy. Doubt that he will overturn it.

30 posted on 12/18/2016 5:34:10 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

How much extra does it cost to clean the apartment of a smoker once they vacate?


31 posted on 12/18/2016 5:35:09 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Duchess47
Might as well have some really out of control, enraged residents.

Maybe they'll finally be enraged enough to actually look for work.

32 posted on 12/18/2016 5:35:56 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Her smoking from the 1960s to 1995 undoubtedly contributed to the COPD and sarcoidosis.

NO! You don't say?

33 posted on 12/18/2016 5:37:36 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Drango

How about they ban having babies without marriage and responsible father’s first???


34 posted on 12/18/2016 5:38:02 PM PST by goodnesswins (Say hello to President Trump)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drango

>>Is government to tell them they cannot smoke in their own house? That is clearly discrimination.”<<

If you don’t like the rules, don’t accept government handouts!


35 posted on 12/18/2016 5:39:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Faithless=Traitor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Drango

” if residents won’t be given the resources necessary to quit smoking — like free access to smoking cessation groups, counseling, and smoking cessation aids like nicotine patches and gums.”

More freebies and everything will be fine!/s


36 posted on 12/18/2016 5:39:35 PM PST by dynachrome (When an empire dies, you are left with vast monuments in front of which peasants squat to defecate)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: freedumb2003

If you take the King’s Coin, you do the King’s Bidding.


37 posted on 12/18/2016 5:39:42 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Drango; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Simpson says. “If you get caught smoking in your apartment, your lease is going to be terminated and you’re gonna be put out into the street over a cigarette?”

The HUD says that’s not how the ban should be enforced. “The last thing that we want are evictions,” a HUD spokesperson wrote in an email to The Verge. “We encourage [public housing authorities] to work with residents so it doesn’t get to that point.”

So basically, this is a lot of stuff and nonsense about something that’s NOT going to be enforced by any measurable means, but makes Julian Castro look good?

Whatever. Feckin’ Libtards.


38 posted on 12/18/2016 5:40:42 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dynachrome

Politicians say, “More Taxes, will solve everything”......and the band played on...


39 posted on 12/18/2016 5:41:56 PM PST by dfwgator
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

“How much extra does it cost to clean the apartment of a smoker once they vacate?”

It’s not cheap.

For the rental real-estate I own, there is no smoking allowed.

You smoke, you lose your deposit.


40 posted on 12/18/2016 5:43:08 PM PST by Timpanagos1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson