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Shocker: Even Obama Lawyers Admit Birth Certificate Forged: “But Eligibility’s A Separate Matter”
SHTFplan.com ^ | 12/16/2016 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 12/16/2016 4:19:30 PM PST by Elderberry

The conversation about Barack Obama’s birth certificate has been off the table for a while now – but the true heart of the matter has never been resolved.

Has anything in his administration been valid or legal? Oddly enough, it seems that a clever legal strategy may make the question of a forged document somehow irrelevant to Obama’s eligibility to hold office.

Coincidentally or not, it was none other than President-elect Donald Trump who, arguably, called off the hounds, got the Obama Admin to produce a document, and then called the whole thing square in the lead up to 2012.

More recently, Trump dismissed his previous ties to the “birther movement” during the last few weeks of his presidential campaign, brushing off the topic very hurriedly by stating: “President Barack Obama was born in the United States, period.”

However, the question isn’t settled for investigators who have been conducting a five-year probe of the birth certificate they claim is a forgery – complete with photoshop layers!

Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office, headed by the outgoing Sheriff Joe Arpaio, found, via WND:

A years-long forensics investigation into the computer image of the long-form Hawaiian birth certificate image that Barack Obama released during a White House news conference during his first term and presented to the American people as an official government document concluded it is “fake.”

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The sheriff’s video said there were nine images on the Obama birth certificate that appear to be identical to, and copied from, another birth certificate issued in Hawaii just days after his birth. That certificate belongs to Johanna Ah’nee.

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“The inescapable conclusion is that the Hawaii Department of Health has not shown the American public the original 1961 birth records for Barack Obama, if they actually exist,” he said.

Clearly, the mainstream media will continue to cast doubt and ridicule on these claims.

But it isn’t for lack of substance, but for fear that these dangerous issues could be raised. A Republican controlled Congress, however, could revive the issue again. That much remains to be seen.

So what does it all mean? According to Jerome Corsi, WND writer and author of Where’s the Birth Certificate?:

“That President Obama’s birth certificate is fake, as proven now by a legitimate law enforcement examination raises serious questions that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed at the highest level of government. The clear conclusion is that the Obama presidency may have been illegitimate, having violated Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution. Impeachment procedures may be required, even if those procedures are conducted after Obama leaves office.”

Sheriff Arpaio indicated his intent to raise Congressional hearings and put forward a law requiring presidential vetting (obviously a good idea):

“I plan on turning over this investigation this month to the federal government. And Congress. And hope Congress No. 1 will pass a law, the president should be vetted. Common sense.

Meanwhile, the powers that be are claiming that the Arpaio posse investigation doesn’t matter.

What makes these matters even more interesting is that Obama lawyers have apparently admitted that the document is a fake – and went so far as to argue that the fake document, therefore, was not sufficient to disprove Obama’s eligibility for the highest office.

After a Maricopa County law enforcement agency conducted a six-month forensic examination … arguments from an Obama eligibility lawyer during a recent New Jersey ballot challenge hearing reveals the image was not only a fabrication, but that it was likely part of a contrived plot by counterfeiters to endow Obama with mere political support while simultaneously making the image intentionally appear absurd and, therefore, invalid as evidence toward proving Obama’s ineligibility in a court of law.

Taking an audacious and shocking angle against the constitutional eligibility mandate, Obama’s lawyer, Alexandra Hill, admitted that the image of Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery and made the absurd claim that, therefore, it cannot be used as evidence to confirm his lack of natural born citizenship status. Therefore, she argued, it is “irrelevant to his placement on the ballot”.

Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate.

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“Sadly, regardless of her moral deficiency, Hill is legally justified,” says TDP Editor, Penbrook Johannson, “Obama’s eligibility is a separate matter than the charges of forgery and fraud. Of course, we have evidence that he is not eligible. But, evidence of forgery by as yet unidentified counterfeiters working on behalf of Obama is not what legally excludes Obama from appearing on a ballot, by itself, until some authority is willing to consider this as evidence of forgery on its merit as an indication of actual ineligibility in a court of legal authority.

These bizarre statements are actually on video… skip ahead to 34-40 minutes in this second part for many of the relevant statements about how the alleged forgery never was relevant to whether or not Obama appeared on the ballot in 2012 – though, in theory and in merit, it should have been.

In hindsight, there may have been a masterful strategy of evasion at work.

a) Barack Obama satisfied the public scrutiny over his birth certificate by outwardly bending to pressure from Donald Trump’s “show me” routine

b) The Obama team (individuals not clearly identified) produced the document in question by leaking it to the press, and putting it online.

c) However, no birth certificate document was ever legally produced or turned in to anyone (including the State Dept.) in order to appear on the ballot, etc.

d) Therefore, legal questions concerning “forgery” of the document produced do not legally link up to anything about Obama’s candidacy or presidency

e) Any questions or criminal allegations are posed towards “as yet unknown” conspirators – meaning that, while the document may indeed be a proven forgery, no one is currently identified as having created the document. Unless Obama is personally implicated in creating and producing this document, it would have no bearing on his eligibility – in retrospect or otherwise. At this point, it isn’t even clear if a legitimate birth certificate exists for Obama, and if so, where it is located or being held.

f) Public perception is an entirely different beast. If it ever came to a head, the entire reign of Obama could be put into question. But luckily for the outgoing president, those making accusations and raising questions have been labeled and marginalized. Until the campaign of Donald Trump, the question had been largely dropped – even in many right wing circles.

Who can pin the tail on this donkey?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; birther; birthers; certifigate; corruptdems; obama; obamabc; obamafakebc; obamafamily; sheriffjoe
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1 posted on 12/16/2016 4:19:30 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

This forged document goes back to the original question: Where is the original long form document? Hawaii? Kenya? Mars? I demand Zer0 show us the authentic document. This fraud has gone on way too long. If he can’t, I call on Russia to do the America people a favor and hack Hawaii’s Bureau of Records to get that document.


2 posted on 12/16/2016 4:30:14 PM PST by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
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To: Elderberry
"Hill went on to contort reasoning by implying that Obama needs only invoke his political popularity, not legal qualifications, in order to be a candidate. "

Traitor Roberts is partial to that sort of argument.

3 posted on 12/16/2016 4:31:46 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Elderberry

It’s just more proof that Obama is a lying POS. Has he ever been truthful about ANYTHING?


4 posted on 12/16/2016 4:31:48 PM PST by ryderann
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To: Elderberry
Clearly, the mainstream media will continue to cast doubt and ridicule on these claims.

In other news, there is a 98% chance that Hillary Clinton will win the Presidency of the United States 5 weeks ago...

5 posted on 12/16/2016 4:32:01 PM PST by kiryandil (Will Hillary's BrownShirt Media thugs demand that The Deplorables all wear six-pointed Orange Stars?)
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To: Elderberry

“That President Obama’s birth certificate is fake, as proven now by a legitimate law enforcement examination raises serious questions that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed at the highest level of government. The clear conclusion is that the Obama presidency may have been illegitimate, having violated Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Impeachment procedures may be required, even if those procedures are conducted after Obama leaves office.”

Pelosi and dozens of others will go down faster than panties at a Prom!


6 posted on 12/16/2016 4:33:55 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jonrick46; Elderberry

Remember the hoopla about Hitlery’s server and “intent”.

Well now the shoe is on the other foot. The obvlous intent was to deceive the public and commit fraud. So prosecute.

There are plenty of crimes here.

Plus, I’m insatiably curious about the real BC. Where was he born? When? Who were the real parents? What was on the BC that he was so determined to hide?


7 posted on 12/16/2016 4:36:07 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Elderberry
0dunga is an INDONESIAN MUSLIM, and it wouldn't surprise me if Loretta Lynch is his SISTER.

I don't think he was born in the U.S. OR Africa.

8 posted on 12/16/2016 4:37:51 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
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To: Elderberry

Obama admitted on his own website that his father being a foreign national from Kenya made him a British subject, thus NOT a natural born citizen, regardless of where he was born.
One cannot be anything else AND be a natural born citizen.


9 posted on 12/16/2016 4:39:29 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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To: generally

Under ‘father’, his REAL bc probably says ‘UNKNOWN’. A testament to his whore mother.


10 posted on 12/16/2016 4:39:38 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
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To: Elderberry

"The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide." - Obama


The only purpose of a forged birth certificate is to hide the truth.

11 posted on 12/16/2016 4:40:46 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

Why would Obama need to hide the truth?

The answer is obvious.


12 posted on 12/16/2016 4:44:03 PM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Elderberry

The serious aspect of all this is that if in fact Obama is an illegitimate president, elected under false qualifications, all he enacted is not legal and enormous damages may accrue to those injured by his acts.


13 posted on 12/16/2016 4:44:09 PM PST by Don Corleone (Oil the gun, eat the cannolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: Elderberry

“Forged but eligible?”

That must be like ‘fake but accurate’ a la Dan Rather/Mary Mapes, huh?


14 posted on 12/16/2016 4:47:34 PM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Note to all foreigners: Please.....GET OUT and STAY OUT!)
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To: Elderberry
The Obama team (individuals not clearly identified) produced the document ...

Not true(Depeneds on which document they are talking about).
Gibbs admitted he released it (the original release) in answer from a question by Bill Press in 2007 and Les Kinsolving in 2010.

Here's his response to Bill Press.

“A year-and-a-half ago I asked that the birth certificate be put on the Internet because lord knows, you got a birth certificate and you put it on the Internet, what else could be the story?” Gibbs continued.

Here's his response to Kinsolving - 2010

Q I don’t know. I’d love to get the real birth certificate, wouldn’t you?
MR. GIBBS: I’ve seen the real birth certificate. I put it on the Internet and I appreciate your —


http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-world-net-daily-correspondent-les-kinsolvings-latest-birther-question-to-robert-gibbs/
15 posted on 12/16/2016 4:53:38 PM PST by stylin19a (obama = Fredo smart)
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To: Elderberry
The real question then is who murdered Loretta Fuddy?

Hawaiian Health Director Loretta Fuddy was killed in a small plane crash off Hawaii.

For those who are unaware, she was the Hawaiian health official who verified the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate died under suspicious circumstances in a small plane crash - the only casualty.

16 posted on 12/16/2016 4:54:02 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: generally

There is certain information the American people should be allowed to have about any person seeking the office of President. While we have been taken off focus with questions about tax statements, there are more important questions that need to be answered. Yes, where was he born? Who are his true parents? When was he born? These are questions that would be answered with a long form birth certificate. You need a birth certificate to get a passport, a marriage certificate and an enhanced driver’s license. It is identity authentication that citizens are routinely required to produce. Why is that above the requirements for the President of the United States? This makes you believe Zer0 is a fraud and the Manchurian candidate he appears to be.

Since Russia appears to be the cutting edge hacker of the universe, they could do the American people one more favor: Hack into Hawaii’s Bureau of Records and dig out Zer0’s long form birth certificate. Let Zer0 try to start World War III over that!


17 posted on 12/16/2016 4:54:10 PM PST by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental disorder: A totalitarian mindset..)
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To: Elderberry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3505359/posts


18 posted on 12/16/2016 5:03:43 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true, I have no proof, but they're true.)
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To: Elderberry

It is a layered PDF. Nuff’ said.


19 posted on 12/16/2016 5:07:31 PM PST by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: Elderberry

FU Obama, you were born in Kenya and everyone knows it, that’s the end of the matter.


20 posted on 12/16/2016 5:08:40 PM PST by Trump-a-licious
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