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I have mixed feelings on this one. While I believe God gave man all the animals, I also believe we have a responsibility for humane husbandry.

I am fortunate enough to be able to buy pastured eggs, free range beef, lamb and pork.

But not everyone can afford such luxury. Some buy two cartons when they see large eggs on sale for $1.79, because, besides hamburger it's the only protein they can afford.

And I've been there too.

1 posted on 12/04/2016 10:55:15 AM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner

This type of stuff throws the baby out with the bathwater!

We farm, everyone we KNOW farms or keeps animals of some sort for food, fun and profit. Animal abuse, especially when it’s your LIVELIHOOD, is NOT rampant.

Yes, at times, there IS abuse, but that usually comes with an elderly farmer who cannot take as good of care of his animals as he should, or has gone a little batty.

And then, there are the animal hoarders, which is really sad.

I can see addressing THOSE issues, but forcing people who ALREADY do right by their animals is, well, status quo for Mother Government. *Rolleyes*

Grrrrr!


2 posted on 12/04/2016 11:02:00 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set!)
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Tough one. Nothing more chilling than seeing tiny veal calves tied up and force fed until they are slain very young.

Father was a dairy farmer. He raised crops, pigs, chickens and milk cows. They were all treated humanely and free range. My mom was often chased all over the fields when she walked us kids around the farm. We did not have veal calves.


3 posted on 12/04/2016 11:03:13 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: Mariner
I also believe we have a responsibility for humane husbandry.

Yes. A pet owner who kept a dog or cat in a cage 24/7 with no room to turn around would be cited. Why should a pig or chicken farmer be treated any differently?

4 posted on 12/04/2016 11:03:20 AM PST by Leaning Right (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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All hogs in Massachusetts will be able to stretch their legs and turn around in their crates and all hens will be able to spread their wings under a law passed in November by voters in the state

This will be right after the hogs and chickens all vote for the dimocrats...right? IDIOTS!!

6 posted on 12/04/2016 11:08:37 AM PST by GoldenPup
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The same people who cry real tears over a hog or chicken not being able to run free are very often proponents of butchering babies on the day they were to be born. The devaluing of human life is an outrageous affront to God.


7 posted on 12/04/2016 11:16:55 AM PST by txrefugee
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Have you ever watched a big sow lay down wrong and smash her new born litter to death? I have, and it is heartbreaking. It is too dangerous to enter a pen with a postpartum sow -— even if your goal is to save her pigs. Pigs do kill farmers. The confinement pens for birthing pigs can and sometimes do have a place, until the pigs are a few days old and learn to get out of the way of the sow. Which is worse -— a comfortable fed/watered sow who just can’t move around much for a few days, or 5-15 newborn pigs dying crushed under the weight of a sow???


10 posted on 12/04/2016 11:38:34 AM PST by LTC.Ret
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As long as food meets minimum standards of safety and nutritional value I'll consider buying it.I will never pay more...even a penny more...for “organic”,”free range” or “piggy had a comfy life before dying”.
11 posted on 12/04/2016 11:42:23 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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This is about as even handed an examination of farming restrictions as you will find in a general interest newspaper.

“North Dakota and Missouri adopted amendments in the last few years that enshrined into their constitutions the right of farmers and ranchers to use current practices and technology. Legislatures in many states, including Indiana, Mississippi, Nebraska and West Virginia, considered proposed amendments this year.”

“...Farmers acknowledge that some people who do not spend much time on farms may object to some of their practices. But they say that they do not abuse animals and that their practices are the most efficient and safest way to keep up with demand for food.”

“...“Our nation’s ability to protect its food supply can be threatened by unnecessary regulations driven by activist agendas, often by people who’ve never set foot on farmland or have no idea what it takes to produce a crop...”


13 posted on 12/04/2016 11:54:14 AM PST by concentric circles
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I buy cage free eggs, now that they’re available. I don’t eat any red meat and feel physical pain at even the thought of baby calves chained up, barely able to move, and deliberately fed an iron poor diet so that they get scours and have diarrhea running endlessly down their legs. How can anyone eat the meat of animals raised under such conditions? They must be ignorant “me first” monsters. Sows should not be kept caged down so they can’t move. Surely there are other ways to house them so that their young are not crushed. I refuse to eat foie gras, the product of ramming a pipe down the throats of ducks and geese and pumping corn into them to produce an abnormal swollen liver. What the heck is WRONG with people? We were given animals to use, not to abuse. Let the “people” who eat animal products which are results of such cruelty choke on them. That would be just.


14 posted on 12/04/2016 12:05:23 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Mariner

More importantly:

1. If a Lib is pushing for “change” then it’s probably a misunderstood crusade based on no facts or merit or it’s an outright lie to push an Alt-Left agenda.

2. If the press is reporting on it then it’s poorly researched and totally misconstrued propaganda to push a leftist agenda.

Ipso facto: these “welfare laws” have nothing to do with farming and are probably more about reducing the food supply by increasing cost.


15 posted on 12/04/2016 12:21:49 PM PST by Noamie
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To: Mariner

I don’t have a big problem with this.


20 posted on 12/04/2016 1:18:51 PM PST by DesertRhino (November 8, America's Brexit!!!)
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"God gave man all the animals, I also believe we have a responsibility for humane husbandry.

I'm with you, brother.
We have a Biblical responsibility to treat animals humanely. Maximizing profits at all costs takes some of our humanity away, too.

22 posted on 12/04/2016 1:46:46 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Mariner

I agree, but I did not vote for this. It gives the state too much power.


27 posted on 12/04/2016 2:40:06 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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