My Experience with the Alt-Right

Townhall.com ^ | December 4, 2016 | Bruce Bialosky

[DoughtyOne]

I am glad to see a younger group get it. Sounds like they’re pretty solid. One area of concern is the idea an Islamic person can be a solid citizen. My final decision is still out on that. If a person is Islamic, their teachings do not mesh with ours at all. They should move outside if Islam.

I’m a pretty much live and let live guy. I have no problem with other religions as long as they are not colonialist, but Islam obviously is. They wish to change us to be them.

That’s not what this nation is all about. They change to be part of us.

As for homosexuals, I revert to the same live and let live line. I do not want homosexual singled out for persecution. On the other hand, I do not view homosexual households to be the same as heterosexual ones when it comes to kids.

The nation as a whole has a vested interest in seeing children raised in a heterosexual man/woman home. Kids need that to be fully healthy.

I agree with you there. (probably)

[riri]

Vox Day isn't really alt-right.

He's a fellow traveler but bumps heads with the alt-right quite a bit.

[Chode]

you disagree with the Tea Party faction also?

[riri]

The alt-right is very real. They have their own forums, podcasts and personalities. It's a pretty young movement.

There are other new movements in the right that over-lap with the alt-right but the core of alt-right is white identarianism. If you try to dilute that message, they will very quickly put you in your place. Additionally, they don't give a rat's ass if you call them racist.

Before judging them, remember these are kids that grew up in this mess of a multicultural society, have been minorities and, many times, faced violence and osctracism in their schools. They are displaced in their own country and are plenty pissed about it. (particularly at baby boomers who they see as allowing this to happen)

[Fantasywriter]

Oh, I agree when it comes to Muslims. To be a good Muslim, you must want sharia—and ultimately conquest—for the US. No thanks. I only used that example to illustrate that if you want to be treated like royalty by an Alt-righter, all you have to do is say, ‘I’m here legally, I voted Trump—MAGA!’ They’ll love you like a brother.

I’m a Christian, so the national slide toward Sodom and Gamorrah troubles me to the core. Without God’s blessing you have nothing...and God doesn’t bless perversion.

On the upside, we have something Sodom and Gamorrah didn’t have: tens of thousands of Christians praying to God daily. May He hear and bless our prayers.

[Altura Ct.]

We stick up for white people. We believe white people have interests, too.

Indeed they do. Every other group has an interest and in fact specific political representation.

[Fantasywriter]

That has not been my experience with the Alt-right at all. The media focuses exclusively on the fraction of Alt-righters that promotes whiteness, but they are the minority.

[DoughtyOne]

Like every other thing in this world where man is concerned, there are two guiding principles.  Good / Evil

I know that is rather simplistic, but it's my take that Conservatism seeks to find that sweet spot where God and man meet, God's will is sought to be canonized, and man's rights ensue.

Man is not perfect, so nothing he devises will be.  Still, I think it is pretty well accepted that our Founding Documents tried to tie man's rights to God's will.  That was a rather lofty goal.

The Constitution defines our rights that can't be taken away by the government.  It seeks to force the government to answer to us, not the other way around.  (within reason)

It clearly defines the branches of government and what the duties of each are.  It defines how the federal government will work with the states.

I am not a fan of the Living Constitution concept.  I think it leads to gamesmanship.  For the most part the Constitution should be left alone, and rigidly observed.  Additions and subtractions should be very rare.  It seems to me that a number of the amendments are redundant, seeking to carve out rights that were already in existence.  There are some things that were added that were decent.  Others were bad.

So as a Conservative that supports our Founders and our Founding Documents, I recognize differences existed, but think what we came up with was done by consensus, and is very very good.

Good / Evil: Black / White

My definition would not address only two groups.  It would address Conservatism and where the other groups leave it's path.  So there is Conservatism, and differing shades of gray all the way to black.

The Leftists have only one claim to Conservatism.  It's protections.  They are loyal to nothing, and only address our Constitution when it protects them.  They don't express approval for others unless there is a hidden self-serving agenda.  All other times they do their best to destroy it.

I remain unconvinced there is a better belief system out there.  That's my take.  So some folks won't see Conservatism as the White Knight product.  Where they differ, I believe they support an issue that ultimately serves the left.  So I wouldn't call them Leftists.  I would call them a group that holds one (or more) Leftist belief(s).  I wouldn't necessarily consider a group that differed with Conservatism to be full on Leftist.  Of course the Democrats have endorsed things that do bring them pretty much under that category.

They are full on Leftist.  They are demonstrably evil.

[DoughtyOne]

Generally no. I do not see them seeking to declare themselves to be a better brand of Conservative. And through conversation, I don’t believe Alt-right does either.

I would encourage you to read some of the rest of the thread.

I think the conversation drifted in a direction that you will like.

[DoughtyOne]

Allowed? LOL

I hate to break it to them, but we have been subjected to the very same things.

I do mind being called a racist. I have never in my life wanted to see someone treated differently based on race, and I try very hard not to every do it myself. So I’ll challenge anyone who tries that noise, to prove it or accept that they were lying.

Baby Boomers don’t control the universities.

I do want Trump to take action to get our universities and colleges back to a situation where there is political diversity on their campuses. It needs to be extended down to grades K-12 too.

The Left has a lock on these public institutions and treats them like a political resource.

That needs to end.

Remind these folks that Trump is the first time in a generation where we have had any chance to address some issues like illegal immigration and education.

We can recognize problems, but if neither party will field a candidate that expresses our views, we are powerless to vote for one that does.

Thanks for your comments.

[DoughtyOne]

Thank you. I agree with those thoughts, and appreciate where you agreed with mine.

I firmly believe God is listening and moving on our behalf as a nation.

That means that He must recognize something worth salvaging here.

To God be the glory...

[Fantasywriter]

Amen!

[riri]

It's a fundamental pillar to the alt-right.

Read their publications--Takimag, V-dare, Daily Stormer, The Right Stuff, Right on Radio--the key component is white identity. What exactly this means is still debated but at bare minimum they wish to see a return to pre-1965 demographics.

There are cross over groups--neoreactionary, nativism, basic American nationalism, anti-feminism, traditionalism.

There is a large debate right now over what is considered alt-light and alt-right with many prominent personalities having some public clashes.

[Fantasywriter]

Please go back to post 14 and read the link. I could never explain it as succinctly and authoritatively as Watson. I can, however, tell you from firsthand experience that he’s right.

[riri]

Because someone understands what it is going to mean to live in a white minority America does not mean they fester in dark corners of the internet. It means they understand where this ends.

[ek_hornbeck]

Unfortunately, pro-multiculturalism and pro-globalism "conservatives" now dominate the Republican Party, so like it or not, in the general public's perception, the words "right wing" and "conservative" today mean Mitt Romney or George W. Bush rather than Samuel Huntington.

The term alt-right is silly and the juvenile trolls who use it often hurt their own cause, but there certainly is a need to differentiate authentic conservatives concerned with Western culture and the National Question from about 80-90% of the Republican Party and its talking heads.

[Fantasywriter]

What I am saying is that by far the largest segment of the Alt-right is unfocused on whiteness. As an example, take The_Donald subreddit—which is 100% Alt-right. It has 317,000 members, and is growing at close to a thousand a day. It focuses not at all on whiteness.

If you can show me a whiteness-oriented Alt-right site with 300,000-plus members, that is growing at anything close to a thousand a day, I will stand corrected.

[riri]

Then it's not alt-right. I am sorry but that is a fact.

The Donald is NOT an alt-right subreddit. Yes, many "alt-right people" spend time and post there but it's a mix of different political thoughts. Heck, even some Freepers who don't understand what the alt-right is post and lurk there.

There IS an alt-right subreddit. It has about 10k posters. In fact, Richard Spencer (who coined the term altright with his prior publication called AltRight) is doing an AMA on Reddit this week.

Taken from the AltRight subreddit:

What is the Alt-Right?

The Alt-Right, unlike the dominant ideology of the 20th Century (Liberalism/Conservatism), examines the world through a lens of realism. Rather than continue to look at the world through the ideological blinders that Liberalism imposes in its dogmatic evangelism of the Equalitarian religion, we prefer to look & examine social relations & demographics from a perspective of what's real. Thus, racial & sexual realism is a key component of the Alt-Right - perhaps the key component that ties the diverse factions within it together.

Another core principle of the Alt-Right is Identitarianism. Identitarianism is the prioritization of social identity, regardless of political persuasion. Thus, the Alt-Right promotes White Identity and White Nationalism.

And if anyone is uncomfortable with that, they simply do NOT care.

[Chode]

i've read it all... and i don't believe the Tea Party nor the Alt-Right claim to be a better brand of conservative, i DO believe they claim to be a better brand of Republican than GOPe!!!

and i think 99% of FReepers are too

[Fantasywriter]

This is like a denominational argument. Two groups both claim to be, for example, the only ‘real’ Evangelicals.

The truth is, one group does not get to dictate to the other. The Whiteness group can pout all day that they are the ONLY Alt-righters. It doesn’t make it true. Neither does your contention that some Freepers post at The_Donald mean that the site itself isn’t Alt-right. If an atheist attends a church service, it doesn’t mean the congregation ceases to be Christian.

I spend ~an hour a day on The_Donald. They fully and enthusiastically embrace the designation, Alt-right. It’s who they are. For some reason, you can’t accept that. You want to dictate that only a piddly little identity group can rightfully claim that title.

You don’t have that right or that power. If an energized, dynamic, growing and dedicated group says they are Alt-righters, you’ll simply have to broaden your definition. For example, I don’t deny that your micro-subreddit is Alt-right. Like Paul Watson, I acknowledge the obvious: that there are two types of Alt-righters. One focuses on whiteness and the other doesn’t. You may not like the fact that the group unfocused on whiteness calls itself the Alt-right, but that personal reaction changes nothing.

You have a very narrow, rigid POV. I can’t change it. But there’s something you can’t change, either. It’s the fact that the vast majority of high-energy, passionate and almost uniquely motivated group at The_Donald call themselves the Alt-right. When Paul Watson posted his tweet about the two Alt-rights, The_Donald users couldn’t feature it or upvote it fast enough. He spoke for them. And you don’t.