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This is why everything you’ve read about the wars in Syria and Iraq could be wrong
Source material cannot be posted to FR | 02 December 2012

Posted on 12/03/2016 8:26:04 AM PST by Lorianne

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1 posted on 12/03/2016 8:26:04 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-aleppo-iraq-mosul-isis-middle-east-conflict-assad-war-everything-youve-read-could-be-wrong-a7451656.html


2 posted on 12/03/2016 8:26:14 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Excellent article. Thank you. It is not artisan or even all that political. It explains some of the politics involved but it mostly explains why the reporting is so bad and cannot be trusted. In the case of Alleppo it is because the so called rebels are blood thirsty Muslims who like to rape and ransom so it is very unsafe for reporters. In Mosul it is much easier to report.

Good illustration from the article. In Mosul Isis prevents residents from fleeing the violence and that fact is heavily reported. In Aleppo it’s the same except it isn’t reported because, well, there are not any reporters.


3 posted on 12/03/2016 8:37:22 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Lorianne

Yeah, a brief synopsis would have been helpful.


4 posted on 12/03/2016 8:37:31 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Lorianne

It’s mostly deliberately wrong, because all the major news sources are leftist traitors, backing Obama, who is fighting on the wrong side.


5 posted on 12/03/2016 8:37:53 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Lorianne

Wait? Someone is admitting that neither side in the Middle East is our friend? How dense are these people?


6 posted on 12/03/2016 8:38:08 AM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Cicero

Not to let Obama off the hook, but there is no right side.


7 posted on 12/03/2016 8:41:33 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

8 posted on 12/03/2016 8:47:09 AM PST by patro (Phrogs Forever)
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To: Lorianne

Islam is the root cause.


9 posted on 12/03/2016 8:48:24 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Lorianne

If your enemies are busy destroying themselves, don’t get in the way.

Just let it play out. Then go in and finish off the victor.


10 posted on 12/03/2016 8:48:54 AM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: patro

McCain’s fault, along with Hussein.


11 posted on 12/03/2016 8:49:22 AM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: Lorianne; All

The present wars in the Middle East started with the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 which was justified by the supposed threat from Saddam Hussein’s possession of weapons of mass destruction (WMD)


Complete and utter lie. They started with the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam Hussain. The U.S. led coallition was *still* at war with Iraq when the coallition invade Iraq for the *second* time in 2003.

This mis-characterization of the wars in the Middle East is completely irresponsible.

Not to mention that the area was largely pacified and stable when Barack Obama destabilized it again with the who Arab Spring nonsense.


12 posted on 12/03/2016 8:50:13 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Lorianne

Every thing you have read about the war in Syria is wrong?

That’s right, but here is the true story:

Whats really happened over the last 8 years?

Here ya go:

We need to understand exactly what is happening. This is big picture stuff. Very Important.

It was Obama who introduced uncertainty into our traditional alliances, including Japan, not Trump.

In particular all of our allies watched in horror and disbelief when Obama abandoned US allies Libya and Egypt , using various ideological politically correct excuses of disagreement on the internal affairs of those nations.Libya was destroyed by NATO, a travesty.

Trump is repairing that damage and DE-emphasizing the Saudi role in Americas international affairs.The Sods have one last chore to do.Look after the refugees of the Levant.

Most people are far from being up to speed on the issues yet.We tend to want to think along the old cold war with Russia lines, but that’s just not accurate.

The EU bent over for Obama, the great Nobel Peace Prize recipient.Obama entered, drank their wine,ate their cheese, denigrated their anti-Muslim crackers,smelled their perfume,breached stuffy protocols, kissed male leaders on the lips, convinced the EU of his moral superiority as Americas first blackish president. They believed their own myth.Japan does not.Japan remembered the utopian fascism of Tojo while Europe all but forgot the utopian-ism of Hitler and Mussolini.

Obama then used Europe to create his Arab Spring, releasing millions of refugees from the Levant, Libya and Africa, all aimed at the heart of Russia,a US betrayal of its allies, Libya and Egypt, an exercise in modern demographic warfare via community organizing.Putin saw Obama coming and seized the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine to prevent Muslim refugees from entering Russia, and aided Syria, and Iran...stopping Obama short for the embarrassing sophomore that he was.

The masses of refugees created by Obama and Clinton streamed into Western Europe, crossing the Mediterranean, sliding into Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, and beyond. Brussels and the EU played their politically correct cards, accepting the demographic warfare fomented by Obama, who even now continues to hoodwink Europe and the EU, assuring them that their world will not fall apart as the Muslim hordes continue to descend on Germany. Europe is losing itself.

Trump is right, Brexit is right. Its a new world. And Shinzo Abe is right.

And we all now see Obama defined as the Utopian liberal fascist that he is, who convinced Europe that he was not just another shuck and jive politician, once again Europe believed in a Utopia, just as they had accepted the Utopias of Hitler and Mussolini. Hoodwinked yet again by an American presidential psychopomp, whose similarities to his European predecessor utopians went completely unnoticed, even when they were complicit in the illegal destruction of Libya , and destroyed the 8th wonder of the world, The Great Man Made River, genocide caused by destroying the water supply of a whole people.You won’t read about that in any liberal progressive rag. The EU should be ashamed of itself.It certainly does not deserve to continue.

If the EU does not take the opportunity afforded by Trump to repudiate Obama, they will become Muslim nations, or become the conquered of Russia. The EU has only a short amount of time to realize its foolishness in the destruction of Libya at the hands of utopian liberal fascism, a whole nation destroyed by the very political correctness which now threatens the destruction of Europe as we know it.

Merkel must go. Lepin must win France. Its all about to begin: the battle for the heart and soul of Europe. Britain is safe,only for the moment.

Brussels is done, but Europe? We shall see.America will yet again attempt to rescue Europe from itself.But there is little enthusiasm for it after what Europe and Obama did to Libya, an act of infamy which will go down in history as one of the most heinous acts ever perpetrated on a third world nation of camel herders by the so called civilized nations of NATO. SHAME!

Obama is running around Europe like a one armed paper hanger as his international grift falls completely apart.Trump and his allies know perfectly well what to do next. The effects of Arab Spring on Europe must be stopped.No more demographic warfare will be allowed.The Saudis will pay for the relocation of the refugees created by Obama, or they will sit by and watch them die. This is the true Obama legacy.

Meanwhile Japan under Shinzo Abe gets it, Europe excluding Britain does not.

The Sheriff is back in town, the USA.Putin likes that. And Putin acted only to defend Mother Russia from Obama created demographic warfare. He has enough pain in the butt Muslims to contend with in Georgia. Putin and Trump will have rapprochement. No doubt about it. Both will work to dismantle Obama’s attempted new world order.


13 posted on 12/03/2016 8:50:55 AM PST by Candor7 ( Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Lorianne

Heavily excerpted quotations of the article (fair use). This sums up the thesis of the writer’s thinking.

“...reporters are quite right not to trust their lives even to the most moderate of the armed opposition...”, But “...the same media organisations continue to put their trust in the veracity of information coming out of areas under the control...”, of the Muslim kidnapper and rapists amd defend themselves by stating, “... they rely on non-partisan activists,”, however, “all the evidence is that these can only operate in east Aleppo under license from the al-Qaeda-type groups.”


14 posted on 12/03/2016 8:55:25 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Candor7

Libya has been a disgrace and an utter disaster, as has the entire “Arab spring” destabilization.


15 posted on 12/03/2016 9:03:39 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Lorianne

Maybe it’s because everything else I read in the media is fake news, so why would this area be any different?


16 posted on 12/03/2016 9:07:23 AM PST by ichabod1 (Make America Normal Again)
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To: Morpheus2009

They even admit that the most moderate of the groups will still imprison and/or behead any foreigners they capture.


17 posted on 12/03/2016 9:13:09 AM PST by ichabod1 (Make America Normal Again)
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To: Mr. Lucky; All
"Yeah, a brief synopsis
would have been helpful...."

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18 posted on 12/03/2016 9:13:45 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Candor7
EVERYTHING obama does either:
a) Weakens America/Americans
b) Distances America's allies
c) Strengthens America's enemies
d) Serves Islam
e) Harms Israel
Or some combination of the above.
I have yet to have anyone raise a single substantive counter example in several years of posting this.
19 posted on 12/03/2016 9:14:06 AM PST by null and void ( If you defy federal law, we deny federal funds.)
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To: musicman

That would pretty well seem to explain it.


20 posted on 12/03/2016 9:15:28 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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