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To: MNDude

In all seriousness, this is one area where conservatives don’t really understand the situation. Private schools, when they are better, are better because they can pick and choose which students they want. As vouchers make it more lucrative for them to take more students, they will start taking anyone because each warm body brings in money. Pretty soon, they will be pretty much like public schools. The problem really isn’t the teachers, or the curriculum, or how much money you spend. It’s the students, and the home culture they bring into the schools. If they have no respect for authority, no work ethic, and/or low intelligence, it doesn’t much matter who is teaching them or how they are teaching. The few hours a week you get with that kid in no way undoes what they have absorbed for years at home.


22 posted on 11/23/2016 9:31:17 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

If that is true then why do private schools outperform public schools in the inner city? It isn’t really close with the same kids and less money.

Pray America woke


30 posted on 11/23/2016 9:48:07 PM PST by bray (The Silent Majority ROARED)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Disagree. I have seen Catholic schools change lives of inner city youth because of faith formation and genuine care given to students of rough backgrounds

I also want to point out the increase of prevalence of mass shootings in upper middle class suburban school neighborhoods, the heroin/opiate epidemic in the northeast. Not to mention the antidepressant pharmaceutical culture invading the lives of the well-to-do, and the hyper extreme hazing of ivy league frat life.

All this to say: the formation of character is forged by a variety of complex factors.


34 posted on 11/23/2016 9:52:20 PM PST by GoldenState_Rose
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To: A_perfect_lady

I don’t know why, but it seems like the public schools around me get stuck with the worst students, and there are many charter schools in the area.


38 posted on 11/23/2016 9:59:21 PM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Private schools will end up costing more IMO. Public schools may need to be redefined / revised as to their curricullum and operations and ensure that they do not become Communist indoctrination camps again. Remove the teacher’s unions and associations that created the problem protesters that were usurped and turned against us. Spending is out of control in schools as well. When you have stadiums that have $1M scoreboards and a laptop for every student I think you are going overboard and overtaxing the taxpayers (IMO). When you have coaches that get huge bonuses for getting their scholarship players to go to certain schools you have a problem.

Education is an important aspect of keeping our culture and society “normal” (not what it is now) beause our children are at the schools about 8 hours of the day. And there are so many areas where the school systems could be overhauled to make them more efficient and less costly. Also a low-tolerance punshment system would help those kids stay in line later in life as well (when they deserve it). I think the lack of punishment for children who misbehave in class and the home has had very negative consequences over time and we are seeing the fruits of Satan’s work because of it.


57 posted on 11/23/2016 10:27:50 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: A_perfect_lady

“The problem really isn’t the teachers, or the curriculum, or how much money you spend. It’s the students, and the home culture they bring into the schools. “

Bingo! I’d rather have my daughter have a lousy teacher at a private school than a great teacher at an inner-city public school.


63 posted on 11/23/2016 10:41:34 PM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Do not think your analysis proves true in practice. Schools will lose students and money if student numbers go up and excellence subsides.

Public schools don’t lose students under the same scenario.


70 posted on 11/23/2016 10:58:47 PM PST by amihow
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To: A_perfect_lady

great points....so, if the current public system is failing miserably in lots of places, what would be your preferred solution ?


102 posted on 11/24/2016 4:54:09 AM PST by chiller (One from the Right - One for the Fight)
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To: A_perfect_lady

“The problem really isn’t the teachers...”

That’s simply not true! We are where we are today with our totally leftist-indoctrinated children, thanks to our RAT union teachers! But I will give you that the teachers would have been less effective in their indoctrination efforts if parents had done anything like the job real parenting demands. Now the problem is generational where the “parents” today were the one’e indoctrinated a generation ago.


103 posted on 11/24/2016 5:02:24 AM PST by vette6387
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To: A_perfect_lady
I agree. School choice is a deceptive misnomer. "Education independence" is what needs to be preserved. Only real tax credits, those which will offset taxes actually paid, should be considered. "Vouchers" will only enable growing Federal control of indpendent private education. I'm kind of surprised liberals haven't tried it already.

It's not my job to "fix" compulsory education, nor to educate someone else's child. Anyone who frames the question in that manner will never have my support.

140 posted on 11/24/2016 11:46:48 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Private schools, when they are better, are better because they can pick and choose which students they want.

The Crown Heights charter schools prove that wrong.

Same kids, same demographics, no picking and choosing as the slots are awarded by lottery.

And yet the kids in the charter school shine and those in the public school do not.

I know it is fashionable to blame the students but a good 75% at least is the teachers and their methods.

141 posted on 11/24/2016 11:57:39 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles!)
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