Those wearin orange, stay put. Those wearin blue, you gotta go. Make a left and keep going.
Posted on 11/13/2016 8:27:56 AM PST by Brilliant
What do we say to Californians who want to secede? Most often, I hear, "Good. Do it," or some variant thereof. But that is way too flippant, and there are much better potential responses.
Another appropriate response might be, "That wasn't the deal. The deal was that you would move to Canada."
But even that misses the major lesson that should be learned from this election.
The truth is that the people who elected Donald Trump as President spent the last 8 years suffering through Obama. There was little talk of secession, and certainly no organized effort to secede by any state. Those who talked about secession were quickly ridiculed, often by those who are now advocating California secession.
We suffered through Obama. We suffered through the slow economy. We suffered through the Obamacare lies and then failure. We suffered through riots and rising crime. Now the California liberals can suffer through Trump.
As Obama said, "I won." But now, Trump can say the same, and California must accept the result, just as we were compelled to do in the case of Obama.
And that is not merely a way of saying that it is time for payback. It is simply what it means to be a nation. We are one nation. Not two. Not more.
In a democratic republic, the representatives of the people are elected by a majority of electors. The minority must accept the result. It is impossible for everyone to have their own way. That is the nature of government. It is, in fact, one of the great problems with government, and is one of the reasons that the Founders built this nation on federalism.
There was once a time when states had considerable rights. There was once a time when the federal government was small, and the state government was the primary governmental influence in our lives.
That day has passed, and it has passed largely because of the political activism of progressives in California and other very liberal states, who wanted to substitute federal power for state power. If our country were still run primarily by the states, as conservatives would have liked, then we would not be having this conversation. The progressives created this situation. Now they must deal with it or be branded hypocrites.
I see that the major California politicians are vowing that they will make sure that irrespective what happens in Washington, California will continue to welcome illegal immigrants, and follow liberal policies that have been rejected by the nation as a whole.
How is it, then, that over the last 8 years, we in the rest of the United States have been compelled to accept the left-wing policies of Barack Obama and the Democratic Party elite? No one told us that we had the option. When the issue was tested in the courts, the courts ruled that the states must yield to the policies of Mr. Obama and the liberal elite because they were in control of the US government. Yet those same liberals claim the right to ignore federal directive now that they are no longer in power.
No, it is much too generous to give the Californians the option of secession. The "do it" response is just too lenient. They need to be taught a lesson, and who better to teach that lesson than they themselves? By telling them simply "We won," we are only holding them to their own standard of fairness. They created this situation. Now they must deal with it.
Secession is a goal of, and a victory for, those who seek the destruction of the United States.
Kind of harsh about “productive citizens are seceding California now and what is left is dumber and lazier.” I applaud the younger generation just starting out that can pull up stakes. Some of us retirees have raised our kids here, own our homes, pay our taxes, have never been on welfare, have our medical plans here that can’t be moved out of state, have friends and family here, and pretty much are stuck until we assume room temperature. I still feel like a “productive citizen” by paying my full share,, and not a “useless eater”, a phrase coined during the Obummer administration..
I agree. No one should be able to force their produce on others, particularly onions. I mean, after all, our onions are far superior to your onions!
Well wait. Then I want a state of Mojave.
All of SoCal east of the San Gabriels, south of the Tehachapis and North of Brawley.
I hope the CA secession movement gets some traction.
I think northern CA can then say hey if you can split from the US, we can split CA.
Tell ‘em not to let the screen door hit ‘em in their pilates-toned buttocks on the way out.
Then re-route the Colorado river so it bypasses Kalifornia.
“pay reparations for the destruction.”
And refund our money for the tickets to the movie Ishtar
I suspect that almost all of the people who want to secede live in the LA and San Francisco areas. If they did leave, then most of the rest of the state would choose to secede from their newly formed country and rejoin the US. That would leave them isolated and without Uncle Sam to support them.
“How can I help?”
“such a question had already been settled.”
This sentiment does not square with what the genuine expression of American political philosophy: “That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government ...”
Back in 1990, the ruling elite in the Kremlin thought the government and borders of the USSR had been settled in 1945 in much the same way.
#CALEXIT#
(I wrote this in reply to a FReeper that was getting worried about California pulling out. Bottom line - not going to happen.)
Relax, I have relatives in California and certainly don’t want them being forced to live in Mexico (i.e., if they secede and then become part of Mexico).
But take comfort because it WILL NOT HAPPEN. Liberals have never been content to take their piece of the pie (California, in this case) and leave others alone - no, what they CRAVE is power over those that disagree with them. They don’t really care about uncontested power over California, what they want is uncontested power over Texas (i.e., conservatives - to shove it in our faces).
And for that reason, they will NEVER let California go, as it destroys their chance of getting power over Texas. It’s only talk. Now, if Hillary had won, I was convinced there would be talk about Texas pulling out - and that would be SERIOUS TALK, and of course the liberals would do everything they could to stop it (including civil war)...thankfully that will not happen either now.
I guess kind of like South Florida belongs to Cuba and South America.
[“What do we say to Californians who want to secede?”]
The United States is one nation under GOD, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all. If Californians don’t like it, they can leave.
I haven’t been there in twenty years. A wall will help. If even half would go home, CA could be red again.
Disconnect them from the power grid and let them self-sustain. See how long they keep those wind and solar systems.
I said this on another new topic. I’m all for Kalifornica leaving. But, they only get to take the blue parts, and they don’t get San Diego. They must also take the blue parts of Oregon and Washington.
Nice to do would be to test kalifornican invaders to other states - if they can’t pass a real citizenship test (ie, they are too commie) they must return to the blue sections of Kalifornica. All illegals left in the red sections can go to Mexico or the blue parts of Kalifornica.
Next, we negotiate with Canada to take New England perhaps trading it for the evil Alberta, Yukon, Saskatchewan, Northwest Territories.
The issue of secession was settled in the period 1861 to 1865. The present day secessionists are a group of nuts. Remember the phrase “United we stand divided we fall.”
Have fun defending your coast with a bunch of fishing boats and captured drug subs.
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