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Some Final Thoughts On The U.S. Presidential Election
Zero Hedge ^
| 7NOV16
| Tyler Durden
Posted on 11/07/2016 6:13:55 PM PST by vannrox
Some Final Thoughts On The U.S. Presidential Election
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Election 2016 has been extremely bittersweet for me.
On the positive side, through both the Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump grassroots movements, we have seen clear proof that a huge number of Americans accurately understand that the current system is totally rigged and simply not working for them. These people didn’t migrate toward these two candidates for some tweaks to the system here and there, their supporters want full scale paradigm level change.
As such, rather than dwelling on the differences between these two populist movements, let’s consider some of the areas where they overlap.
1. Trade — Opposition to NAFTA and current “trade” deals such as TPP, TTIP, and TISA have been central to both the Sanders and Trump campaigns.
2. War and militarism — Whether you believe Trump is sincere or not, opposition to Obama/Clinton interventionist overseas wars were key talking points for both Trump and Sanders.
3. The system is rigged — The painful acknowledgment that the U.S. economic system is a rigged scam that fails to reward hard work, and is more akin to a parasitic, predatory oligarchy with very limited social mobility, has been a key campaign theme for both Trump and Sanders. The economy is increasingly dominated by near-monoploy giants who relentlessly push for more power and more profits irrespective of the cost to society, whether that cost be war, poverty or social unrest.
4. Money in politics — The rigged economic system described above aggregates wealth into an increasingly small number of hands. Those hands then buy off politicians and rig the political process. A rigged economy and rigged political system perpetually feeds itself and endlessly grows at the expense of the public like a terminal cancer. Both Trump and Sanders emphasized this problem.
5. Rule of law is dead — Sanders focused on Wall Street bankers, while Trump focused on Hillary and her inner circle of cronies, but the overall point is the same. Rich and powerful oligarchs are above the law. We all know this, but Washington D.C. refuses to do anything about.
Despite all of the above, the ultimate status quo candidate, Hillary Clinton, has a very good chance of winning tomorrow’s election. Why? Primarily because Donald Trump is a very divisive figure who focused too much on polarizing issues such as building a wall, stop-and-frisk, supporting torture, advocating for internet censorship and libel laws, etc. While he got his act together toward the end of the campaign, he spent far too much of it marginalizing people like me who desperately want to vanquish the status quo, but couldn’t get comfortable with Trump.
This is where the election took on a decidedly negative tone for me on a personal basis. I’ve dedicated the last six years of my life to fully exposing and combating status quo corruption, but when the populist revolt finally arrived, the only choice I was given for change was one I couldn’t embrace. For someone so passionately yearning for positive, paradigm-level change, that’s been a crushing letdown. Personally, I’ve passed the point where I’m willing to vote for someone I don’t believe in or trust. As such, I won’t be voting for either one. That said, my individual vote is irrelevant, and I don’t want to focus on that. The bigger question is, who do I think will win?
On that question, I don’t have a strong opinion at the moment. Ultimately, it depends on whether Americans go into the voting booth and see status quo vs. blowing up the status quo, or if they see Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton. If they see the former, odds are in Trump’s favor. If they see the latter, it’s a matter of which personality Americans find least repulsive.
So here we stand. Despite the fact that a huge percentage of Americans deem both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton to be “unelectable,” one of them is about to be elected. As such, we really need to start thinking and strategizing about the future. In that regard, I propose we look at the five points of Sanders/Trump overlap I highlighted earlier. If we can stay focused on those existential issues after the election irrespective of who wins, “we the people” have a good chance of uniting a clear majority of the population and ultimately turning this national disaster around.
Or we can allow ourselves to be divided and conquered into oblivion. The choice is ours.
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016; election; hillary; trump
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All the points are valid.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:13:55 PM PST
by
vannrox
To: vannrox
Primarily because Donald Trump is a very divisive figure This is total horsecrap.
To: vannrox
Another self righteous fraud. Zero Hedge is dead to me.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:20:34 PM PST
by
nhwingut
(Trump-Pence 2016 - Blow Up The GOPe)
To: vannrox
Rule of law is dead
What is the law?
Not to take foreign money
What is the law?
Not to sell political favors, especially from countries that stone gays and forbid women to drive
What is the law?
Not to destroy evidence
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:21:01 PM PST
by
P.O.E.
(Pray for America)
To: vannrox
While Tyler and others like him are searching for that candidate they can support, Hillary and the Left will be consolidating power like never before so that our votes will no longer matter anyway.
Congrats to the cadre of “useful idiots” on our side who have paved the way for us to fly past the point of no return for the country.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:22:36 PM PST
by
comebacknewt
(Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
To: P.O.E.
That was both good and disheartening.
Warning! Don’t watch Fox tonight. They are already planning their dance tickets to the Clinton inaugural ball.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:27:37 PM PST
by
lulu16
(May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
To: vannrox
“Personally, Ive passed the point where Im willing to vote for someone I dont believe in or trust”
Well, Krieger, looks like you’ll never be voting for anyone ever again. There will never be another Trump, and everyone currently in the Uniparty has demonstrated they are not to be trusted, and that will continue to be the case indefinitely.
You’ve blown your one and only chance to ever get anything actually changed because you just HAD to have the PERFECT candidate, with the PERFECT personality, whose positions on the issues have to match YOUR positions 100%, which apparently is MUCH more important to you than judging what’s MOST important and ignoring the noise.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:28:45 PM PST
by
catnipman
(Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
To: vannrox
As such, we really need to start thinking and strategizing about the future.Which GOP candidate does he think will embrace his five points? None of the schmucks that ran against Trump will sign on, and you certainly aren't going to find a Democrat that will do so (Sanders was just mouthing words - he had no intention of being the candidate). Trump was the best choice, and at this point, he is the only choice. Mr. Durden needs to get over his bad self and vote for Trump.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:31:59 PM PST
by
Major Matt Mason
(Those that can, do, those that can't, work in the Beltway.)
To: vannrox
Like the blind men telling what an elephant looked like everyone is coming out of the woodwork telling us who to vote for and why. Like bad scientists their “facts” are just theories and just plane stories.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:35:37 PM PST
by
mountainlion
(Live well for those that did not make it back.)
To: vannrox
Yeah, you sit it out, Ritalin addled Millennial.
I hear some talk about a healing, a coming together again within the party. I don’t think they are fools, I know they are degenerate liars already plotting.
Trump can do so much. He can ease the transition from old age to death for the boomers both culturally and economically. After that civilization crosses the event horizon. It’s set.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:37:26 PM PST
by
Go No
To: vannrox
Lots of nonsense in this post.
He is trying to rewrite history.
To: vannrox
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:40:29 PM PST
by
Jeff Chandler
(Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity?)
To: vannrox
What a freeking idiot. If you want to see the future just look at California. Trump was my 4th ranked candidate in the primaries but I can see he is our last hope. I’m sick of these Republicans who don’t want to vote for Trump because they are such pantywastes. They will never get my support.
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:40:33 PM PST
by
willk
(everyone)
To: catnipman
Well stated....right on........
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posted on
11/07/2016 6:52:54 PM PST
by
Arlis
To: vannrox
Primarily because Donald Trump is a very divisive figure who focused too much on polarizing issues such as building a wall, stop-and-frisk, supporting torture, advocating for internet censorship and libel laws, etc Perhaps the editorial writer wants open borders and coddling criminals and enemies but he is quite uninformed about censorship. The media censors the news of the crimes of Hillary. The social media conglomerates soft-censor their users and Obama just turned over the internet to those conglomerates and foreign authoritarians.
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posted on
11/07/2016 7:08:05 PM PST
by
palmer
(turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
To: nhwingut
I was going to call him an idiot, but realized that your term, “fraud,” is the right one. Trump, who promises to do everything this guy has supposedly been dreaming of for years, isn’t going to get his vote because he’s rough around the edges? This is a thinly veiled Hillary endorsement.
To: vannrox
I don't really agree with this one:
Despite all of the above, the ultimate status quo candidate, Hillary Clinton, has a very good chance of winning tomorrows election. Why? Primarily because Donald Trump is a very divisive figure who focused too much on polarizing issues such as building a wall, stop-and-frisk, supporting torture, advocating for internet censorship and libel laws, etc.
Bernie Sanders was the exact opposite of Trump -- but he lost too.
If Trump loses, it will be because he was up against a stacked deck with every organized political group, special interest group, and media group lined up against him. It's really that simple. There isn't a single Republican in national politics today who would have engaged in the brash, bare-knuckle brawling type of campaign that Trump did.
Personally, I think this is why Trump has a very good chance to win tomorrow. Among all the adjectives you could use to describe a political candidate, Trump is a historic personification of the one that still counts the most even in 2016: AMERICAN.
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posted on
11/07/2016 7:14:24 PM PST
by
Alberta's Child
("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
To: vannrox
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posted on
11/07/2016 7:15:35 PM PST
by
198ml
("Profit")
To: vannrox
If we can stay focused on those existential issues after the election irrespective of who wins, we the people have a good chance of uniting a clear majority of the population and ultimately turning this national disaster around. This guy is whistling past the graveyard, dude.
If Trump loses this election, we won't have another opportunity like this for a generation -- if at all. I'm predicting that if he loses, the 94+ million people who have dropped out of our nation's work force are going to drop out of our nation's fabric completely. They'll still live here, but they will simply stop giving a sh!t about every government institution in America, and will stop feeling any obligation to conduct themselves according to any legal or moral code. In effect, they will be content to live in a state of existence one step above total anarchy.
Is there anybody here on FreeRepublic who really thinks that any more than 20% of Trump's supporters are ever going to vote for someone like Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or Scott Walker in a presidential election in the future?
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posted on
11/07/2016 7:33:04 PM PST
by
Alberta's Child
("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
To: vannrox
Hey, Tyler - the dream candidate you’re looking for doesn’t exist.
If you think Trump is going to lose, then stop writing.
President Clinton is not going to tolerate opposition.
You don’t like Trump because you’re Millenial Snowflake. We get it.
Your gloom and doom attitude won’t deter the rest of us from our task of saving America.
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posted on
11/07/2016 7:36:05 PM PST
by
goldstategop
((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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