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RED ALERT — Get ready for a 'severe fall' in the stock market, HSBC says
Business Insider ^ | 10/12/16 | Bob Bryan

Posted on 10/12/2016 6:49:29 PM PDT by Enlightened1

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To: dp0622
For long term 401k investors under 55, it makes no sense to try and time the moving of funds, in my opinion. Through all the ups and downs i think it is still averaging 7 percent a year. Remember when the dow was a few thousand :)

As one fairly recently retired I ditto your remarks and remember the 1987 crash and the crap during the 1970s. Having said that one must always be ready for a sell-off and either be willing to ride it out or not invest in the first place. I think the only money one invests in the market should be funds you are willing to leave alone for 10 years or more.

I think the hardest thing is not the ups and downs of the market but having the discipline to save enough money to retire. I had to increase my savings rate to 30% in the last 10 years to compensate for money not saved in my first 10 years. If people save 15-20% of their money for 40 years and spread the money across a balanced mix of assets they should be in pretty good shape.

21 posted on 10/12/2016 7:15:54 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: DoughtyOne

One basic model to determine stock prices, Dividends/interest rate or earnings/interest rate. The interest rate on say one year government bonds is very low. So as interest rates fall stock prices go up. (This is a very broad observation and lots of exceptions. One outcome of the Obama Fed is that interest rates on government bonds and CD’s are very very low, which has destroyed any incentives for the middle class to save. To earn higher returns many have invested in the stock market-a bubble to be sure. When interest rates go up the value of many common stocks will go down quite a bit.


22 posted on 10/12/2016 7:19:31 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: bicyclerepair

The central planners will wage all out war. If economic war doesn’t work they’ll take it hot.


23 posted on 10/12/2016 7:19:33 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: chimera
Anyone recall what happened in those two months aside from the DJIA?

A Republican was elected President.

24 posted on 10/12/2016 7:22:03 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Enlightened1

Is anyone who is even barely awake sees this coming.

I am thinking with no ammo left for the Fed that this might be a bit worse than most are projecting.


25 posted on 10/12/2016 7:27:38 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Brace. Brace. Brace. Heads down. Do not look up.)
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To: plain talk

Wow. That was really helpful. Thanks.

Must have been a little tough the past ten putting 30 percent away. Glad you could do it.

I DO panic a little :) thinking “if i move to gold now or whatever, i’ll make money while the dow goes down!!”

but that’s dreaming. It is VERY hard to do.

I guess you just have to let it go into the 401k and KNOW what you’re in, but leave it alone for the long haul.

Wife and I are both 48, no kids (that sucks but thank God i have so many nephews and nieces) and we will be ok although we dont have a fortune saved now because i recovered from injury for eight years but we are back on track.

As for SS, i wish we could put the money in private accounts but then they wouldn’t be able to steal it, the govt that is.

Could it really disappear one day?

How are China and Japan staying afloat at 250 debt to gdp?!?!


26 posted on 10/12/2016 7:27:55 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: dp0622

Over the past 100+ yrs, stocks have returned about 9% per year when you include dividends. The key is to invest regularly over the course of your working years and ignore the ups and downs. Here’s a neat calculator that shows the return on stocks, with data reaching back to the late 1800s => https://www.measuringworth.com/DJIA_SP_NASDAQ/


27 posted on 10/12/2016 7:36:15 PM PDT by Ken H (Best election ever!)
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To: Enlightened1

Broken clock syndrome. Pay attention to the fed. We don’t have a stock market anymore. We have a central bank controlled asset management program.


28 posted on 10/12/2016 7:38:13 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: going hot

I’ve converted my bill payment process. I’m running all purchases through my cash back card and I’m getting some great returns on my $1000 per month I run through there.

I’ve got a project I’m running through there, and I may make about 50% interest this year on that $1000.

The thousand is money I took from checking and savings, and simply replaces everything I was paying from my checking account.

I’ll get anywhere fro $300 to $500 dollars from cash back, dumping my month’s bill money in just before the cycle date lowing the interest charged, and also taking advantage of special offers that I would have spent anyway.

For instance, I paid Hulu one month, and got it free for a perk the card company was offering.

Beats leaving the money in check and savings where I gain no interest at all.


29 posted on 10/12/2016 7:39:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (27 days: Until Presdient Pre-elect becomes President Elect Donald J. Trump. Help is on the way!)
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To: Maine Mariner

Thanks for the thoughts. I am also worried that Obama and the Fed have been pumping the stock market up. That may be off track, but it sure seems like it.


30 posted on 10/12/2016 7:40:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (27 days: Until Presdient Pre-elect becomes President Elect Donald J. Trump. Help is on the way!)
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To: okie01

By landslides. The stocks broke through the psychological barrier of 1,000, then wafted back and forth. It wasn’t until the mid-80s where there was a clear upward trend.


31 posted on 10/12/2016 7:45:05 PM PDT by chimera
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To: lightman
I remember when the Dow broke a thousand for the first time, but that was long ago and far away.

Ditto...Carrie Fisher was smokin' hot.


Carrie Fisher had just turned 16.

BJ Clinton was only ten years older at the time....
32 posted on 10/12/2016 7:46:05 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: DoughtyOne
Good on ya!

Savings account is a no brainer, it loses money.

Checking account just prior to paying expenses, and some loose cash.

So the question begs, where does one park money when one "puts it away"?One does have to be ready to liquidate at the drop of a hat, perhaps a loss/sell trailer on all buys.

Even matrass cash loses value at the rate of inflation.

RE is where I have been parking it, and getting damn good returns.

33 posted on 10/12/2016 7:49:58 PM PDT by going hot
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To: RC one

I have come to learn that the powers that be can kick this can much further down the road than most could ever imagine. We still have a long way to go IMO.


34 posted on 10/12/2016 7:56:03 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy
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To: DoughtyOne

Obama and the Fed are keeping interest rates low in order
to keep interest payments on 18 trillion dollars of debt low.
As a result a stock market boom that may turn down quickly if interest rates go up.


35 posted on 10/12/2016 7:58:39 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: going hot

Excellent. In some markets that’s a good idea. At the wrong time, that can go flat too.

I don’t think California land has rebounded after the 2008 fiasco. Others may be more informed that me on that though.


36 posted on 10/12/2016 8:00:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (27 days: Until Presdient Pre-elect becomes President Elect Donald J. Trump. Help is on the way!)
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To: Maine Mariner

That makes sense. I’m hopeful that Trump will increase the tax base and increase government receipts because of it.

If he can, he’ll pay down part of the debt. That would really help.

I’d love to see Welfare sunseted in 36 months.

That’s half a trillion right there.

Cut them off. Save half a trillion, they have to work to eat, and that increased our tax revenues as well.

We could be talking $600-700 billion right there.


37 posted on 10/12/2016 8:03:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (27 days: Until Presdient Pre-elect becomes President Elect Donald J. Trump. Help is on the way!)
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To: Ken H

wow thanks


38 posted on 10/12/2016 8:05:24 PM PDT by dp0622 (IThe only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Enlightened1

I’m not worried.

I have Hellary’s commodities trader as my financial advisor.


39 posted on 10/12/2016 8:07:57 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: DoughtyOne
What is that saying...buy when every body is selling, and sell when everybody is buying!

BTW, the election is still an E ticket, no?

40 posted on 10/12/2016 8:12:24 PM PDT by going hot
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