Posted on 09/18/2016 4:29:13 PM PDT by Kaslin
Governor Mike Pence appeared on ABC’s This Week on Sunday, where their Presidential Debate Moderator Martha Raddatz relentlessly grilled him about Donald Trump’s involvement in the “Birther movement.” Under pressure, Pence defended himself by reminding Raddatz that members of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign leaned on questions of citizenship to take jabs at then Senator Barack Obama. But Raddatz wasn’t having any of it, “I want to talk about the facts. What's the proof of that?”
At first, Pence tried to stick to the issues by noting that the American people don’t care about the birther issue and are not talking about it. “Look, I understand why Hillary Clinton and many of her defenders in the national media want to distract attention from her dishonesty and her disastrous record on the foreign stage,” Pence stated, “I promise you, the American people see through all of this.”
But Raddatz kept pushing Pence to talk about it, often cutting him off as he spoke. “Governor Pence, you said yourself Hillary Clinton is at fault,” Raddatz said, putting words in his mouth, “And you just said it yourself, what is the proof, because we can't find any. And fact-checkers have checked into that.” Pence tried to call attention to past media reports that pointed to those facts, but Raddatz countered claiming, “The reports of people in my industry say there is no proof they can find that Hillary Clinton had anything to do with it.
ABC’s Debate Moderator Grills Pence, ‘No Proof’ Clinton Campaign Used Birtherism in 2008
Raddatz seemed as though she was trying to defend Clinton by trying to make it all about what she had said, while, in fact, it was what people associated with her 2008 campaign were saying. The proof of this comes from the liberal Politico who, in April of 2011, found that the start of the birther conspiracy:
Lies in Democratic, not Republican politics, and in the bitter, exhausting spring of 2008. At the time, the Democratic presidential primary was slipping away from Hillary Clinton and some of her most passionate supporters grasped for something, anything that would deal a final reversal to Barack Obama.
Politico’s report is backed up by an article from The Daily Beast, which chronicled how Linda Starr went on a personal crusade to damage Obama with the birther issue, after he secured the Democratic nomination for president. Starr was a Clinton supporter and a Texas delegate for her at the time.
What makes Raddatz’s twisting of words and facts even more disturbing, is that she will be co-moderating the October 9 Presidential Debate with CNN’s Anderson Cooper.
Transcript below:
MARTHA RADDATZ: Governor Pence, I know you say you want to talk about issues, but Mr. Trump could have put this issue to bed a long time ago. Just last Wednesday he was asked by the Washington Post a very simple question, do you believe the president was born in the United States? He said he wouldn't answer it then. Then he had major announcement he talked about on Friday, he kept this issue going. Why did it take him so long to say the president was born in the United States, which is a fact?
MIKE PENCE: Martha, it's a fact, and Donald Trump and I both acknowledge that without hesitation. But, I have to really tell you, I understand why many in the national media and Hillary Clinton want to distract attention from her dishonesty and her disastrous –
RADDATZ [Beginning to talk over Pence]: But Governor Pence it's not just the national media. Let me—We counted since April of 2011 and that's the year that Barack Obama gave his long formed birth certificate from Hawaii. We counted 67 times where Donald Trump tweeted or retweeted messaging—messages questioning his birthplace. He has kept this going. He has been a leader in this birther movement.
PENCE: Well, I know there's news reports that trace this birther movement all the way back to Hillary Clinton’s campaign in 2008.
RADDATZ [Talking over Pence]: You believe that Hillary Clinton started the birther movement?
PENCE: Look, I'll let the facts speak for themselves.
RADDATZ [Cutting off Pence]: I want to talk about the facts. What's the proof of that?
PENCE: What I would tell you Martha— Look, as I travel across this country—and I say this very sincerely and very respectfully to you, this is not what the American people are talking about. Donald Trump put this issue to an end yesterday in Washington DC. He essentially said—
RADDATZ [Cutting off Pence]: Why did it take him so long to put it an end? It's not over.
PENCE: Throughout this campaign, he hasn’t been talking about it. He's been talking about the need to have a stronger America at home and abroad. Look, I understand why Hillary Clinton and many of her defenders in the national media want to distract attention from her dishonesty and her disastrous record on the foreign stage. And the fact that she wants to simply continued the failed policies of this administration that have run our economy literally into a ditch. That's not working. I promise you, the American people see through all of this. And I think that's why Donald Trump is going to be the next president of the United States.
RADDATZ: Governor Pence, I’ve been with the voters, in fact just yesterday. And they talked about the birther issue, they believe fueled in part by what Donald Trump has said that President Obama was born outside the U.S. This fuels those conspiracy theories. Do you think he should have promoted this birther issue for all these years? Was he wrong to do this?
PENCE: Our campaign just really isn't focused on the past, Martha, and it really –
RADDATZ [Cuts off Pence]: Governor Pence, you said yourself Hillary Clinton is at fault. That's going forward, that's not just the past. He said Friday that Hillary Clinton and her campaign were at fault for this birther movement as well. And you just said it yourself, what is the proof, because we can't find any. And fact-checkers have checked into that. That Hillary Clinton started the birther movement.
PENCE: I would refer you to news reports with the McClatchy news service and reports of people in your industry Martha. But—
RADDATZ [Cutting Pence off]: The reports of people in my industry say there is no proof they can find that Hillary Clinton had anything to do with it.
PENCE: I understand your perspective on it. I understand the desire of many in the national media to change the subject from Hillary Clinton's disastrous record and her dishonesty, but we're just not going to play that game. Donald Trump and I are going to continue to focus right where the American people are focused. And that’s not on the debates of the past, it’s about their future.
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Martha is what we call “two bag” ugly. You know you put a bag on he head so no one will know her when they see you out and about. The second bag is for you, if her bag blows off.
Thanks.... No I don’t have the Trump Campaign’s ear but I thought it was a good idea enough to send to here https://www.donaldjtrump.com/contact/ If someone has a way to push this idea further up the tree where it can be truly fleshed out, please do so!
Martha, at this point, what does it matter ? To use the words of Hillary Clinton.
What difference does it make at this point?
An example of why so many are convinced that reporters are moderately to severely retarded individuals.
She’s 63. I have seen a Georgia field mule in August ridden hard and put into the barn wet that look better than Martha.
Thanks for prodding me to go looking, MM.
There IS a video with both ABC's Kate Snow and Bill Clinton in the aftermath of 0bama's nomination victory, where Bill Clinton makes the curious statement to Snow that "everybody's got a right to run for president, that qualifies under the Constitution..." [starting at 33 seconds in the video].
What an odd thing to say - unless you know The Pantload, like we FR oldtimers do...
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click on the pic for the vid.
Save it, if you can. It will be on the Left's hitlist, soon.
I've been poking around, and this rabbit hole goes DEEP. Bill Gwatney [the dead one], and Bill Clinton running his mouth about the birth issue.
It appears as though they shut him up with a death threat against Chelsea - after they whacked Bill Gwatney.
The "Bill Clinton running his mouth about the birth issue" was apparently snide and subtle Billy comments about 0bama's Kenyanism.
Somebody did a documentary in 2012 about the 0bama campaign strong-arm tactics and primary vote fraud, and had some choice comments about what Billy Clinton was doing to promote the 2008 birther cause.
I wonder if her husband eats a big meal before sex, so he doesn't throw up on an empty stomach?
Haven’t watched TV in so long, I didn’t know who Raddatz is, but she does not present a pretty picture. Why are these women so very anxious to have Hillary be the first woman president. I’d be perfectly happy to wait another 4/8/12/16/20 years and get someone not so flawed, who might actually just love this country and its people.
Looks like she put wrinkle cream on backwards.
There is no excuse for a reporter being rude to a Republican candidate like this, cutting him off, talking over him unless they treat the democrat the same way. They do not.
If you look closely over Martha’s left shoulder you can see the paint blister and chip off the battleship.
I didn't find any Bill Clinton campaign ads about 0bama's "birth issues" - but I found something MORE interesting.
The United States 2008 Democratic National Convention was a quadrennial presidential nominating convention of the Democratic Party where it adopted its national platform and officially nominated its candidates for President and Vice President. The convention was held in Denver, Colorado, from August 25 to August 28, 2008, at Pepsi Center.
So, I found this video where a woman producer is talking about the 2008 shenanigans in 2012 - well before the current kerfluffle.
She brings up the assassination of Bill Gwatney - on August 13, 2008. Then she talks about how Billy Clinton was going to spill the beans on the Kenyan, anyway.
I presume this was the primary convention gambit of the Clintons - to stuff 0bama's ineligibility in his Kenyan teeth in front of the entire world, and the DNC.
And then Mitt got real. They told him that Chelsea was next.
This kind of explains the Bill Clinton comment on August 4, 2008, in the ABC Kate Snow interview of The Pantload.
The Rapist was tipping his cards to ZeroKenyan, and ZeroKenyan's thugs went ALL IN.
Tough luck for Bill Gwatney...
Pence has no teeth. Somebody go find Ann Coulter. Radditz was begging for a smack down. Pence was a fail. Bring in a girl.
Of course, Trump can handle the hack moderators.
But he would accomplish a lot by going ballistic against the moderators from the start to help delegitimize them in the eyes of the millions of Americans watching the debates (who are clueless about media bias).
Yeah, hope they prep Trump a little better. Raddatz may have done them a favor by showing them an area they need to shore up. If Pence had had just one or two specific things he could cite, he could have had her scurrying to the next question. That said, he held his ground pretty and didn’t give her the gotcha moment she wanted.
IMHO, post of the day
You cut that $hit out right freaking now !
#pugsarebeautiful
Horrid. Gwatney assassinated. Then they said, “Chelsea was next.” All tied into spilling the beans about Obama’s Kenyan birth.
The Democrats are so much worse than La Casa Nostra.
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