Posted on 09/06/2016 8:27:50 AM PDT by Jed Eckert
I see and hear a lot of talk about how a national gun registration and/or confiscation would be the trigger that would spark a second American Revolution, as patriots rise up to resist the jackbooted thugs who are going door-to-door taking away people’s arms.
I have bad news for everyone who’s waiting for national registration or a mass confiscation so they can get their armed rebellion on: a national database of gun owners already exists, and a national confiscation effort will never happen. Ever. Instead, you’ll hand over your firearms peacefully. All of them, even the ones you paid cash for to some random guy on Armslist in the dead of night.
Here’s a look at how it will play out in our not-too-distant future.
The NSA Knows Who You Are and What You Have
Second Amendment supporters have been so focused on this one little corner of the Bill of Rights that they’ve let the Fourth Amendment, which is supposed to protect citizens against unreasonable search and seizure, turn into dead letter.
The surveillance state that got started under Clinton picked up steam under Bush II, and Obama has expanded it even further. The NSA is tracking everyone, all the time, and they’re hooked into Facebook, Google, Amazon, and every other piece of web-based software that you’ve been using to shop for accessories for that AR you paid cash for (which your wife doesn’t even know you have).
If you don’t believe me, go read this article about just how much detailed info one private company, Facebook, has on you, including your web surfing, shopping, and even your driving and walking habits. Now think about the fact that the NSA is even less constrained by the law (and has way more resources) than Facebook and has access not only to Facebook’s detailed profile of you but to profiles created by many other sources, from your credit card company to your health insurance provider.
Oh sure, you may have gotten your hands on a few guns that would be impossible to trace, even by the NSA. Maybe you inherited a long gun from your grandpa, or maybe you met a guy in a gun show parking lot and paid cash and then never Googled anything related to that gun. So here’s a question for you: how many people like you exist, and how many of those type guns are suitable for urban combat against AR-15s with state-of-the-art optics? I know which of my guns are probably totally “in the black,” and I can’t imagine trying to mount an insurgency with any or all of them.
The fact is, most guys who have the kind of hardware suitable for a Civil War 2.0 have been shopping on Gunbroker or Armslist, and/or have filled out FFL paperwork like law-abiding citizens. I seriously doubt there’s enough firepower totally hidden from the NSA to sustain any kind of real rebellion.
So the registration ship has sailed. They know what you have and where to find you. Now, here’s how they’re going to get you to turn it over without a fight.
Hitting You Where It Hurts
When the government outlaws semi-automatic firearms, they won’t send cops or troops door-to-door to take them. No, first they’ll send out letters saying they know what you have, and that you have to turn it over by a given deadline or face a penalty.
It’ll be up to you to prove that you’re clean, and that you’ve handed over everything. They’ll have a list, and if they think you’re still holding, they’ll hit you with asset freezes.
Imagine not being able to get any money out of your bank account or from your credit cards, because your assets are frozen. The federal and state governments already do this if you owe back taxes–a simple letter to your bank, and all of your cards stop working. (Here’s an account from one of our editors of how this actually happened to him.) The bank doesn’t care about you, and they don’t have the interest or resources to find out if the government’s claim against you is bogus. No, they’ll just freeze your assets until you get things sorted with the government and the government tells them to unfreeze it all.
The other thing they’ll do is take your children.
Do you think Child Protective Services is going to let your children live in a house with potentially dangerous firearms? No way. Your kids will get picked up at school and taken into custody, and a social worker will show up at your door with the cops. Only when a thorough search has been conducted and the authorities are completely satisfied that your property is 100% gun-free will they let you see your little ones again. After all, we have to protect the children.
You’re not going to shoot at those cops, either, because then your kids will just end up in the foster system as wards of the state.
Not Nearly Enough for a Revolution
Oh, I’m sure there are folks reading this who are so off-grid that none of the above can touch them. Their guns are totally invisible to the NSA, their assets are all in the form of cash and physically held precious metals, and their kids are home-schooled on a well-guarded ranch.
But is that blessed group big enough to overthrow a determined US government? No, it ain’t.
The measures outlined above–a de facto gun registration database courtesy of the NSA and its private-sector allies, asset freezes for non-compliance, and the threat of CPS visits that hold your children hostage–will be sufficient to take well over 90% of the lawfully held guns out of civilian hands, all without firing a single shot.
The bitter truth is this:there will be no confiscation shock troops for you and your buddies to shoot back at, and we will discover too late that the rights-defenders’ fantasy–of one, crystal-clear moment when it’s time for everyone to rise up as one and take it all back–has been the establishment’s biggest ally and freedom’s deadliest enemy.
Why do you think they’ve let you have guns for this long? Because those guns have given you a false sense of security and kept you from doing something truly dangerous, like mass-organizing to pull all your money out of the big banks and to vote out the incumbents.
So if you’ve sat idly by, fondling your firearms and watching the surveillance state expand while your paycheck shrinks, relying on your gun stash to bail you out when things hit bottom, then the joke’s on you. You’ve already lost the war, and when you hand over your weapons it’ll be the last (and mostly symbolic) step in a process of total subjugation that slipped up and swallowed you while you were distracted with building your gun collection.
You may hate me and everything I’ve said here, but deep down, you know I’m right.
Update: A number of commenters are misreading this article. The headline doesn’t say I’ll hand them them over — it says you will. And yeah, I’m trolling you a bit with the tone of this piece by saying what you “will” and “won’t” do, but it’s because I’m trying to slap you awake. The main point that’s being made is this: if you’re waiting for a door-to-door confiscation, or even a national gun registry, then you’ll be waiting forever. Folks who like to talk about a causus belli will need get more creative in coming up with a “bright line”, because the ones so many of you are waiting for won’t ever appear. If this article has spurred you to think more clearly about what the end of liberty might actually look like, and about what you’ll do under scenarios other than the classic door-to-door confiscation scenario, then it has done its job.
I can think of many reasons. If you can't, you are a sad, sad person.
Give me a G3 with a scope and you got some serious hurt going down range. This guy forgets if the intended target knows a goon strike team is coming this invites plenty of places for a bushwack. Throw in just two or three deer hunters, especially if they have any military experience, with scoped hunting rifles and a goon team could be utterly decimated without ever having seen the faces of their killers.
One of the reasons I finally went the AR route. I figured if the goons were that stupid there would be plenty of pieces laying around for parts and lots of unused ammo.
“But a hundred thousand people suddenly getting a text and their entire bank assets shut off would make for some serious fear among people...”
It’s a two-edged sword. A hundred thousand bureaucrats ostracized from the community, unable to buy food, gas and clothing, power cut off. Their vehicles, personal and government-issued, sabotaged and useless. Homes vandalized and uninhabitable.
These people aren’t living in John Wayne’s Fort Apache out in the prarie. They live next door to us, in our communities.
I agree with your analysis, but I do not think it will be a fight like that.
I would suggest that there will be no revolution like that envisioned by the survivalists, simply a decline in the ability of the federal government to do anything. The same government that allowed federal law to be usurped by states with pot, refused to allow states to enforce immigration law and ignored cities that defied the government are not going to have enough Federal officers to enforce any unpopular gun law, in fact it will be openly ignored.
That is what is happening in New York now, once you get outside of Westchester county (north) and Albany. The safe act which does not allow assault weapons is being ignored by almost all law enforcement officials outside of those jurisdictions. Of the 1 million plus arms which should have been registered, less than 40,000 were or a compliance rate of ~less than 4 % The same is true in Connecticut. It has not hit the mainstream press as of yet, but the limits of compliance have been reached. Rural America is not going to disarm and the local police are not going to enforce laws that are unpopular, especially when the inner city folks are making threats of violence, and heading out to the suburbs. BLM have made local police suddenly aware of how much they depend on the local population supporting them to function.
As for the nation as a whole: The published figures say there are around 12 million AR15/AR10 rifle variants in circulation. That figure came from the ATF (reported on an HBO propaganda film) and pretty much included every thing made from September of 1963 until late 2015 or 52 years of production. How many were added this year? 500,000, 800,000? who knows? There are something like 10 million Remington model 870s shotguns made, 5 million Mossberg model 500 and something like 7 million Remington model 700 guns. There are over 1 million M1 Garands in circulation, 1.5~2 million M1 carbines, around 220,000 M1A (M14 pattern). So adding up these military pattern arms, there are at least 37 million post 1945 US military pattern long arms in circulation. If you could somehow round up 70 % of them (a figure not even achieved in Australia in 1996/1997) you are still left with over 10 million arms of US military pattern. I would guess only 50% of the arms owned by folks are owned by the original 447s3 purchaser, so even getting a 50 % compliance rate would be difficult. Likely a New York 4~5% figure is much more likely.
*Reasons to do harm to their families.
So, doing evil to those who are victims of circumstance (having a son, brother, husband or father who is a member of the oppressive regime) is OK with you? I'd rethink that; we all have to answer to God someday. If that makes me "sad", so be it.
In truth, how many of us really know enough about our neighbors to identify the threats? NOW is the time to learn about them, and plan how to deal with them.
Yada yada yada. Ok, so when I get my letter telling me I better turn it in, I go to war. Whatever.
Bingo! I’m not stupid enough to square off with soldiers. It’s the idiots that sent them that will pay.
It will emanate from the D.C. area, not a lot those of us in the hinterlands can do to help cut the head off.
An awful lot of those to be disarmed will be Iraq war veterans, who learned a thing or two about insurgent warfare courtesy of the very government that will be trying to take their guns.
They made the rules, not us.
The orders from above are repeated locally. Those are the targets within reach. Those in DC can be reached as well, it just takes a greater and smarter effort.
The unlikelihood of that has been discussed many times, but it keeps coming up. Why?
That is true. And if their women and children attack us, they are fair game.
In civil war there are no none combatants, when fighting inside your own borders there are two sides and only two the revolutionary and the loyalists history is clear to win a unconventional conflict against technological and tactically superior forces you MUST hit the soft targets that hurt those forces the most and force them to the peace table or extinction. The families of the enemy are legitimate targets in total war, and the most effective means of breaking the will of the enemy is to wipe out what they care most for. Don’t have the stomach for it fine stay out of the way or be considered to be on the other side. This is how wars are won in the unconventional urban arenas where the enemies soft targets are mixed in the fight. The Balkans are a good example, Syria currently, Afghanistan, the Kurdish part of Iraq the list is long and conclusive. War comes and all targets in the filed of view are legitimate from 8 to 80 more of them have to die faster than yourside dies and who dies matters most as the surviving enemy sees it is not only deadly for them but also who they care most for. breaking the will to fight is paramount to victory. The victorious get to write the history and terms of surrender anyways.
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I see that you did not read the Update.SNIP If this article has spurred you to think more clearly about what the end of liberty might actually look like, and about what you’ll do under scenarios other than the classic door-to-door confiscation scenario, then it has done its job.
The other thing they’ll do is take your children.....They can have the the little barstids.
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