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The Democrats Will Never Confiscate Your Guns. Instead, You’ll Hand them Over.(BS Alert)
http://www.alloutdoor.com ^ | 8/31/16 | billj

Posted on 09/06/2016 8:27:50 AM PDT by Jed Eckert

I see and hear a lot of talk about how a national gun registration and/or confiscation would be the trigger that would spark a second American Revolution, as patriots rise up to resist the jackbooted thugs who are going door-to-door taking away people’s arms.

I have bad news for everyone who’s waiting for national registration or a mass confiscation so they can get their armed rebellion on: a national database of gun owners already exists, and a national confiscation effort will never happen. Ever. Instead, you’ll hand over your firearms peacefully. All of them, even the ones you paid cash for to some random guy on Armslist in the dead of night.

Here’s a look at how it will play out in our not-too-distant future.

The NSA Knows Who You Are and What You Have

Second Amendment supporters have been so focused on this one little corner of the Bill of Rights that they’ve let the Fourth Amendment, which is supposed to protect citizens against unreasonable search and seizure, turn into dead letter.

The surveillance state that got started under Clinton picked up steam under Bush II, and Obama has expanded it even further. The NSA is tracking everyone, all the time, and they’re hooked into Facebook, Google, Amazon, and every other piece of web-based software that you’ve been using to shop for accessories for that AR you paid cash for (which your wife doesn’t even know you have).

If you don’t believe me, go read this article about just how much detailed info one private company, Facebook, has on you, including your web surfing, shopping, and even your driving and walking habits. Now think about the fact that the NSA is even less constrained by the law (and has way more resources) than Facebook and has access not only to Facebook’s detailed profile of you but to profiles created by many other sources, from your credit card company to your health insurance provider.

Oh sure, you may have gotten your hands on a few guns that would be impossible to trace, even by the NSA. Maybe you inherited a long gun from your grandpa, or maybe you met a guy in a gun show parking lot and paid cash and then never Googled anything related to that gun. So here’s a question for you: how many people like you exist, and how many of those type guns are suitable for urban combat against AR-15s with state-of-the-art optics? I know which of my guns are probably totally “in the black,” and I can’t imagine trying to mount an insurgency with any or all of them.

The fact is, most guys who have the kind of hardware suitable for a Civil War 2.0 have been shopping on Gunbroker or Armslist, and/or have filled out FFL paperwork like law-abiding citizens. I seriously doubt there’s enough firepower totally hidden from the NSA to sustain any kind of real rebellion.

So the registration ship has sailed. They know what you have and where to find you. Now, here’s how they’re going to get you to turn it over without a fight.

Hitting You Where It Hurts

When the government outlaws semi-automatic firearms, they won’t send cops or troops door-to-door to take them. No, first they’ll send out letters saying they know what you have, and that you have to turn it over by a given deadline or face a penalty.

It’ll be up to you to prove that you’re clean, and that you’ve handed over everything. They’ll have a list, and if they think you’re still holding, they’ll hit you with asset freezes.

Imagine not being able to get any money out of your bank account or from your credit cards, because your assets are frozen. The federal and state governments already do this if you owe back taxes–a simple letter to your bank, and all of your cards stop working. (Here’s an account from one of our editors of how this actually happened to him.) The bank doesn’t care about you, and they don’t have the interest or resources to find out if the government’s claim against you is bogus. No, they’ll just freeze your assets until you get things sorted with the government and the government tells them to unfreeze it all.

The other thing they’ll do is take your children.

Do you think Child Protective Services is going to let your children live in a house with potentially dangerous firearms? No way. Your kids will get picked up at school and taken into custody, and a social worker will show up at your door with the cops. Only when a thorough search has been conducted and the authorities are completely satisfied that your property is 100% gun-free will they let you see your little ones again. After all, we have to protect the children.

You’re not going to shoot at those cops, either, because then your kids will just end up in the foster system as wards of the state.

Not Nearly Enough for a Revolution

Oh, I’m sure there are folks reading this who are so off-grid that none of the above can touch them. Their guns are totally invisible to the NSA, their assets are all in the form of cash and physically held precious metals, and their kids are home-schooled on a well-guarded ranch.

But is that blessed group big enough to overthrow a determined US government? No, it ain’t.

The measures outlined above–a de facto gun registration database courtesy of the NSA and its private-sector allies, asset freezes for non-compliance, and the threat of CPS visits that hold your children hostage–will be sufficient to take well over 90% of the lawfully held guns out of civilian hands, all without firing a single shot.

The bitter truth is this:there will be no confiscation shock troops for you and your buddies to shoot back at, and we will discover too late that the rights-defenders’ fantasy–of one, crystal-clear moment when it’s time for everyone to rise up as one and take it all back–has been the establishment’s biggest ally and freedom’s deadliest enemy.

Why do you think they’ve let you have guns for this long? Because those guns have given you a false sense of security and kept you from doing something truly dangerous, like mass-organizing to pull all your money out of the big banks and to vote out the incumbents.

So if you’ve sat idly by, fondling your firearms and watching the surveillance state expand while your paycheck shrinks, relying on your gun stash to bail you out when things hit bottom, then the joke’s on you. You’ve already lost the war, and when you hand over your weapons it’ll be the last (and mostly symbolic) step in a process of total subjugation that slipped up and swallowed you while you were distracted with building your gun collection.

You may hate me and everything I’ve said here, but deep down, you know I’m right.

Update: A number of commenters are misreading this article. The headline doesn’t say I’ll hand them them over — it says you will. And yeah, I’m trolling you a bit with the tone of this piece by saying what you “will” and “won’t” do, but it’s because I’m trying to slap you awake. The main point that’s being made is this: if you’re waiting for a door-to-door confiscation, or even a national gun registry, then you’ll be waiting forever. Folks who like to talk about a causus belli will need get more creative in coming up with a “bright line”, because the ones so many of you are waiting for won’t ever appear. If this article has spurred you to think more clearly about what the end of liberty might actually look like, and about what you’ll do under scenarios other than the classic door-to-door confiscation scenario, then it has done its job.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guns
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To: Jed Eckert
True, but by the same token we know where to find them (and their wives and their kids and the rest of their families)

And if we go the route of doing harm to their families, what make us any better than them? They (THOSE WHO GIVE THE ORDERS) need to have "accidents" or just disappear.

21 posted on 09/06/2016 8:53:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: wbarmy
there are quite a few, probably in the several hundreds, who will immediately go "mean"

Remember the chaos caused by the Beltway snipers? That was just two guys. Several hundred meanies could shut down DC without targeting innocents.

22 posted on 09/06/2016 8:53:17 AM PDT by Spirochete (GOP: Give Obama Power)
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To: Jed Eckert

It’s much easier to do than that.

You just make the propellants in ammunition a controlled substance requiring all kinds of permits and manufacturers either go out of business or the price goes through the stratosphere.


23 posted on 09/06/2016 8:55:47 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Jed Eckert

That won’t work out like they think. I hope I’m still alive when that day comes.


24 posted on 09/06/2016 8:55:59 AM PDT by abbastanza
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To: Jed Eckert
How about Civil Firearms Forfeiture?
25 posted on 09/06/2016 8:59:28 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberalism: Intolerance masquerading as tolerance)
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To: Jed Eckert
how things are done in the united states of muri

26 posted on 09/06/2016 9:01:22 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Jed Eckert

The whole point of the 2A is so Americans can forcefully respond to others who have declared war on them, whether at the macro (governmental tyranny or foreign invasion tyranny) or the micro (criminal thug tyranny) level.

But he does have a point, that the critical problem is there are millions of final straws when there should only be one final straw in order to respond effectively and en masse. If 10 million 2A supporters all converged on DC simultaneously would be one thing. If only a few hundred did so would be laughed at and ridiculed.

The law of unintended consequences could well be in play in this scenario. As soon as they announce people need to start turning in their guns, there may be a lot of incidents perpetrated against those behind this and their underlings, even before the turn-ins begin.

One thing’s for sure: Our Founders would’ve never stood for such involuntary weapons turn-ins. They’re spinning in their graves that liberty is so unimportant to us.


27 posted on 09/06/2016 9:02:58 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Jed Eckert

My kids are homeschooled. And we have lawyers on speed dial. This whole scenario is garbage.

They know who has guns but NSA surveillance? HAH! Big Effing Deal. I can tell you who has them. Almost everyone! Over half the people in the country. So what good does snooping to figure that out do? Pick up kids at school? What the Eff does this writer live? In NV that would mean they would have to round up every kid at ever school in the whole darn state. Yeah that is going to work. Stupidest article I have read all day. Hell the highschool kids plus their trucks in the parking lot of ONE highschool in my county probably out number and out gun ever law enforcement organization in the whole county. And that is rural. Think this will work in the inner city? Soon as the first kid cellphones that they are getting picked up at school all the gangbanger baby daddies in the getto will BURN THE WHOLE CITY DOWN. They might be piss poor parents but they will not take the ‘disrespect’.


28 posted on 09/06/2016 9:03:21 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Spirochete

Honestly, five or six could shut it down. I was there when that happened and the people were scared to death of everything that went bump.


29 posted on 09/06/2016 9:04:16 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Snickering Hound

“You just make the propellants in ammunition a controlled substance requiring all kinds of permits and manufacturers either go out of business or the price goes through the stratosphere.”

So? You think Americans don’t already have enough to take care of things? They do. So I hear. Mine all sank in the boating accident.


30 posted on 09/06/2016 9:04:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: 98ZJ USMC

There are, the will exists. There is no organization though.


31 posted on 09/06/2016 9:05:49 AM PDT by Mjreagan
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To: wbarmy

“Honestly, five or six could shut it down.”

What happens when 10 to 50 people go vigilante sniper in EVERY town in the country?


32 posted on 09/06/2016 9:05:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

If BDG actually went after the children then you know they WANT a shooting war. I don’t have kids yet but if someone went after my neighbors’ kids I’m in.


33 posted on 09/06/2016 9:07:54 AM PDT by Mjreagan
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To: Jed Eckert

Idiot says ‘NSA’ like to here are no humans involved.


34 posted on 09/06/2016 9:09:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Billthedrill
the enforcers, auctioneers, and buyers will find pistols to their heads just as they did during the Great Depression.

That is a good point to remember. They have to do something with the children and the property and the people who they try to give or sell them to will be wondering who is at the door every minute of their life.

I know that if they take my children, especially considering who will be first in line for little kids in those days, I will be incredibly dangerous.
35 posted on 09/06/2016 9:10:53 AM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Jed Eckert

One shooter paralyzed the entire police force in a large city for hours. The NSA? hum ok sparky.


36 posted on 09/06/2016 9:12:39 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Poo poo the polls at Trump's peril.)
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To: ctdonath2

3%?

That’s millions of people.

Consider 1% of 1% of 1% of firearms owners, roughly 100 people, skilled and motivated, going Christopher Dorner or John Allen Muhammed, at the same time.


37 posted on 09/06/2016 9:14:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

And not stupid enough to get caught, and not stupid enough to harm random innocents.


38 posted on 09/06/2016 9:16:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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To: TalonDJ

A large percentage of those assigned to confiscate the weapons will resign and join the resistance. More than one governor will defy orders and give legitimacy to armed resistance. It would be very ugly. I would not want to be one assigned to confiscate. You would live in constant fear of the 300 yard shot.


39 posted on 09/06/2016 9:18:39 AM PDT by cpdiii (DECKHAND ROUGHNECK MUDMAN GEOLOGIST PILOT PHARMACIST LIBERTARIAN , CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: afsnco

“If only a few hundred did so would be laughed at and ridiculed.”

Depends on whether they were protesting or ... something else.


40 posted on 09/06/2016 9:19:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If anyone will not listen to your words, shake the dust from your feet and leave them." - Jesus)
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