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To: MCF; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican

The people of the states are the states, they don’t need a bunch of scumbag politicians (who also “represent political parties” btw) to act as a middleman and have shadowy backroom deals determine who is elected to the Senate.

It would be a rigged DISASTER. You would get less conservative Senators, period. Dems and RINOs would team up RINOs in Republican state. A couple Lisa Murkowski’s in Texas sound good to you?

This stupid idea is politically untenable and is not gonna be seriously on the table EVER let alone actually enacted so you’re wasting your time hoping for it. This “debate” does not exist outside of the Internet.


153 posted on 09/01/2016 10:10:43 PM PDT by Impy (Never Shillery, Never Schumer, Never Pelosi)
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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj
I was arguing with some Constitution Party member a couple months back who also used the ridiculous argument that the 17th amendment gave control of the Senate to "the two party duopoly". Again, the opposite is true. Since the popular election of Senators, its possible for third party candidates and independents to occasionally win Senate seats (James Buckley, Bernie Sanders, etc.). If the 17th were repealed, the state legislatures would send nothing but party hacks to the U.S. Senate. Good luck getting a 100% R & D state house to appoint an Independent from the private sector who doesn't kiss their butts and donate huge $$$ to their re-election funds.

The same can be said for the silly argument that the 17th amendment gave "urban areas" complete control over the U.S. Senate seats. I refuted that one easily on this thread by using the example of the Illinois General Assembly, which is gerrymandered so that ONLY ONE county (Crook, and more specifically, Chicago) has any input in what "the state" as a whole decides to do. Mike Madigan of Chicago decides what the state legislature will enact, and then his minions rubber stamp it. The popularly elected Senators, on the other hand, have to win over the entire state. Even scum like Dick Durbin won his Senate seat over Al Salvi because he fooled some downstate voters into supporting him.

It's truly bizarre how these 17th amendment repeal advocates live in a world where the exact OPPOSITE of reality occurs.

Notice none of the valid points that Fieldmarshaldj & I made have been logically refuted by any these bozos. Their "response" is always to switch to ad hominem attacks and sneer "Oh yeah, well that just PROVES yer a PROGRESSIVE who HATES the constitution and the founding fathers!! I bet you LOVE Obama, dont ya?! You outta be ZOTTED for supporting the 17th amendment, LOSER!!!!"

155 posted on 09/01/2016 11:08:57 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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