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Poll: Clinton up 16 over Trump in Virginia
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Posted on 08/23/2016 11:40:04 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

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To: Yaelle

I knew Romney would lose the election the minute he was nominated.


101 posted on 08/23/2016 1:09:08 PM PDT by pissant ((Deport 'em all))
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To: browniexyz

Also, isn’t Arlington a sanctuary city? Northern Virginia is quite different from southern Virginia. The many new Asian immigrants and Hispanics voted big for Obama.


102 posted on 08/23/2016 1:11:36 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The las test ISIS knife attach should wake up some people. Got my attention.


103 posted on 08/23/2016 1:12:03 PM PDT by magua
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s not.


104 posted on 08/23/2016 1:16:57 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Kahuna

Not if your opponent is an even worse astounding at 63% disapproval.


105 posted on 08/23/2016 1:17:19 PM PDT by Lakewood
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To: CyberAnt

Didn’t say you were lying. The poll is lie. That’s very obvious. Its designed to keep people from coming to the polls. Trump is winning in Virginia as he is nation wide. There is only one reason for a poll being so outrageous. The Dems know they have to win Virginia and the real polling shows they aren’t.


106 posted on 08/23/2016 1:18:42 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%9)
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To: Yaelle

Hillary is losing large. Its not close.


107 posted on 08/23/2016 1:20:34 PM PDT by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%9)
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To: goldstategop
Yup. When they have more Ds than R’s, you know such polls have no credibility.

Credibility isn't the point for the liberal lamestream media. It's only people like you and I that look at the internals and sampling rates to see D's are heavily oversampled. That's irrelevant.

What's relevant is the liberal lamestream media gets to publish another bullsh*t poll with a headline showing Hitlery up by 39,000 points. They know that Joe Sixpack and his wife only read the headlines anyway so the b.s. headline has its intended effect: influence the public into voting for the presumed winner, Hitlery.

That's what these b.s. polls are all about. Problem is, they work. They certainly worked in 2012.

108 posted on 08/23/2016 1:24:09 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Northern Virginia is filled with GS15’s whose income is imperiled by a non-democrap.


109 posted on 08/23/2016 1:24:35 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (If a border fence isn't effective, why is there a border fence around the White House?)
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To: Yaelle
Trump needs Ohio and Florida. Some combination of Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania would put him over the top. New Hampshire would be nice, but Trump has more appeal in the Rust Belt states. Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania qualify as Rust Belt. The problem is that the Republican governors of Ohio and Wisconsin are at best lukewarm toward Trump and will not use their authority to suppress voter fraud. The governorship of Pennsylvania is in Democrat hands, and Philadelphia is a swamp of electoral corruption.

Florida should be safe for Trump. Blacks will not turn out in the same numbers for Hillary Clinton as they did for Obama. South Florida has many ex-New Yorkers and New Jerseyites, a large number of whom come from the same demographic as Trump: white, non-Jewish, second and third generation Americans. Trump is a part-time Florida resident as well. Combined with the Southern orientation of the Florida Panhandle and North Florida and Cuban voters around Miami, the Sunshine State should be safe.

I would not write off Colorado. I think both Gary Johnson and Jill Stein will do better than average, taking voters who would not be Trump supporters and, in the case of Stein, would gravitate towards the Democrats.

110 posted on 08/23/2016 1:27:55 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Wow!


111 posted on 08/23/2016 1:32:38 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: The land of the free because of the brave)
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To: CyberAnt

Yep, that’s why we didn’t move there. We wanted to live around the tri-state area of North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia. Virginia and North Carolina are increasingly voting wrong, so we tossed them out. The big cities are overtaking the rural votes.


112 posted on 08/23/2016 1:36:00 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: Sybeck1

I’m in Tennessee, right across the border and we get the same stations as in Virginia. I see a whole lot of Ads from Hillary, but not one from Trump yet.


113 posted on 08/23/2016 1:37:25 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: Yaelle

I like your post Yale. They are a touch of reality in a sea of exuberance. This is going to be a long uphill battle.


114 posted on 08/23/2016 1:44:04 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

The popular vote doesn’t mean a thing. Ask Al Gore.


115 posted on 08/23/2016 1:45:09 PM PDT by Hardens Hollow (Couldn't find Galt's Gulch, so created our own Harden's Hollow to quit paying the fascist beast.)
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To: goldstategop

Folks, Remember you read it right here. Trump will win handily in Ohio, Texas, Florida, Pennsyvania, Michigan...and with those victories alone, he will be elected POTUS in a massive landslide!!! End of story!!!

Go Donald J. Trump!!! Onward to victory!!!


116 posted on 08/23/2016 1:45:34 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (Defeat both the Republican (e) & Democrat (e) political parties....Forever!!!)
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To: DarthVader

Their polls are decent, but Virginia is hard to poll anymore. Northern Virginia might is dark blue and the rest of the state is red.


117 posted on 08/23/2016 1:47:37 PM PDT by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: Yaelle

I generally agree, but it goes both ways. For every poster who is irrationally confident, there seems to be ten who are fashionably cynical. But none of that really matters. If you were to draw up a list of the top 1000 things affecting the outcome of this race, the relative optimism on FR wouldn’t even make honorable mention.

As I see it, this race can go anywhere from a comfortable Hillary win, to a complete landslide for Trump, or anywhere in between. The factors that matter right now are:

On Hillary’s side:

1) Can Hillary get people resigned to a “Hillary presidency”. A lot of people miss the strategy of all of these ludicrously biased (in terms of filtering) media-commissioned polls. It is not to get her supporters confident, or to create despair amongst normal people: it is all designed to get people used to the *idea* of a Hillary presidency. If they can get people on the margins to be resigned to such a disaster, it will make them much more comfortable voting for someone they neither like nor trust.

2) Does Trump look childish in the debates? Fairly self-explanatory. For the marginal voters, this will be a big deal.

3) Are the health issues, and the email scandal, rope-a-dope’s? And, if they are, will Trump fall for them?

4) Can she remain hidden forever? They aren’t hiding her because of health issues (they could be, but that isn’t the likely cause). They are hiding her, because when people see/hear her, they cannot stand her. Her entire strategy is, and always has been, to campaign from behind a screen of media allies and surrogates. If Trump can make any serious inroads in, for example, black communities, he will force her out from behind her screen.

On Trump’s side:

1) Can he look like a president in the debates? If he does, he wins the election, IMHO, and none of the other issues matter. There has been a massive political vacuum that has existed every since Reagan, and Trump can fill it. But only if all of those disaffected Democrats, the largely conservative-leaning independents, and those who have pretty much given up on voting, only if they see someone who looks and sounds like what they view as presidential.

There are a number of other issues which could lead to an unprecendented landslide here (for Trump, assuming he comes across well in the debates): the black/hispanic vote, Republican women and Republican country club types, and young Sanders voters (or the ~20-50% of Sanders voters who aren’t really idealogical, but are concerned and who don’t believe in either party).

But there is little question that Hillary is not in a good position right now. She should be up an easy double-digits at this point. The media is entirely in the tank, she alone has been advertising, and it is the dog days of summer. But she clearly isn’t. Whether it is a moderate (5-7 point lead for her), or an even smaller 1-2 point lead for Trump, is really irrelevant. This should be her high water mark, right now, and it isn’t very high at all.

Trump absolutely needs to do just three things: 1) stay away from potential gotcha issues like her health, or supposed emails lurking on a disk somewhere; 2) counter successfully the “inevitability” tactic; and 3) look like a president a soccer mom would be proud of, in the debates. Do those, and he wins easily.


118 posted on 08/23/2016 1:56:18 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: SoFloFreeper

Very heartbreaking. I wish this were not true!

it’s northern VA skewing the voting distribution, again, something everyone’s just going to have to live with in the future; however, the likely margin is nowhere near 16%, so likely a flawed poll...


119 posted on 08/23/2016 1:57:27 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies.

And then kiss me on my ruby red lips......

120 posted on 08/23/2016 2:00:16 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Oil the gun, eat the cannolis, take it to the mattress.)
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