Losing Trust: Frustrations Grow Over German Response to Terror

Der Spiegel ^ | August 12, 2016 – 06:03 PM | (Spiegel Staff)

[Olog-hai]

In the wake of recent attacks, Germany’s conservative Christian Democrats over tripping over themselves with proposals for tightening anti-terror laws. Instead of calming the people, they are simply confusing them. […]

A year after Merkel’s proclamation that “We can do it,” there seems to be few traces of last summer’s optimism in the conservatives’ ranks. Back then, the chancellor was still confident that a “strong Germany” could absorb hundreds of thousands of immigrants and train and integrate them into the country’s workforce.

The conservative interior ministers’ proposals highlight to what extent fear has become a driving political force in Germany. Citizens fear terrorism and violence, while politicians fear the will of voters. …

[himno hero]

They can never integrate a people who hold another constitution greater than their host nation dear to their heart.

Worse than that, the new people want to supplant the existing constitution of their host.

It’s like Obama and crew maintaining that the American constitution is “outdated” and needs to be replaced with something more sharia compliant.

[dp0622]

tighter gun control in Europe is that answer :)

[Olog-hai]

The AfD leader says the opposite, believe it or not.

[Mr. Mojo]

Back then [a year ago], the chancellor was still confident that a “strong Germany” could absorb hundreds of thousands of immigrants and train and integrate them into the country’s workforce.

BS. Merkel knew all along what kind of havoc her actions would wreak. She's just another self/culture-hating leftist intent on destroying Western civ.

[himno hero]

I tinks dey already tried that.

What they should do as a minimum, is level the playing field.

Give the Germans AK-47s to match the immigrants weaponry on a per capita basis.

Actually, if it were up to me, home should have an advantage of 550%.

[dp0622]

lol Home SHOULD have the advantage.

Australia is not having shootings because of THEIR IMMIGRATION POLICY, not because they grabbed guns.

BTW, what about hunting in Australia. How strict was this ban?

[pepsionice]

Since 1949, Germany has based all of their stability and calm nature on the carefully packaged deal of a center-left and center-right party taking 65-to-85 percent of the national vote every four years. You can attribute the method to crafted politics, the state-run news media, and invented talking topics every four years (pension reform, health care reform, etc).

So, we’ve come to a topic of immigration, asylum, integration, and increased crime. The center-left and center-right parties are attached to the Merkel vision. They can’t really move around and remodel this platform and shift on immigration without their own created state-run news media calling them xenophobic or anti-immigration.

From the five parties in the Bundestag in Berlin....the CSU is the only one that leans slightly against immigration and wants numerous reforms. So this outsider and new party.....the anti-immigrant party (the AfD) is the only alternate vehicle for people to vote for, and send a message.

In the end, you can look across Austria and France....both will have elections and go right-wing and have a more negative view of immigration. By November of 2017, Germany will have their election and move in this same direction.

[353FMG]

Americans are as slow-witted as the Germans when it comes to accepting muslim refugees.
Frau Klinton will see to that and our soulless Congress will support her.

[himno hero]

not a bad observation of preventative maintenance.
unlike germany, whose idiocy between Merkel’s ears has allowed the immigrants in and left the peoples disarmed.

they are past the tipping point, thus need fast acting relief.

For us? Trump has a huge handle on the solution.

[dp0622]

When Irish and Italians came here, people weren’t thrilled with their religion but at least it was the SAME GOD!

Same with when the Jews came. Though because of their smaller numbers and easy target, they are still hated by some @@@hole groups.

I DO NOT believe muslims believe in the same God. Theirs is an offshooT Of a moongod religion that was around at the time and the koran preaches hate.

BTW, I just watched an Israeli movie called “Big Bad Wolves”. Quite disturbing horror flick (serial killer) but if that is how tough the REAL police are there, they can take care of themselves just fine!

Great movie but i like sick movies. Dont want to know what that says about me :)

[nathanbedford]

Despite the transparent leftist political bias, this article presents a classic example of the unintended consequences of government action prompting more government action which, it should go without saying, will generate more unintended consequence.

The initial government action of permitting 1.4 million refugees to come into the country has created the consequence of crime but the article describes the consequence as being one of "fear" and creates the impression that the fear is baseless. So the politicians who generated the problem are now reacting to solve the fear it creates which might be wholly unnecessary.

In addressing that fear, German politicians propose systematically stripping Germans and ex-pats like me of fundamental rights of association, expression, privacy etc., the article implies that in addressing the "fear" the politicians are overreacting to the original problem rather than addressing it, or even assessing if the original problem, "crime," actually exists.

Nowhere in the article is the point made that there is no "right" to enter Germany as a refugee or otherwise except as European Union treaty requires. Because this principle has been ignored, real rights (association, expression, privacy, etc.) are infringed. What will be the unintended consequences of these actions? What will be the government reaction (emphasis on the "action" syllable) to cure those unintended consequences?

[uncitizen]

They’re an invading army that is just waiting for the rest if the army to arrive. Then things will really explode. No pun intended.

[MarchonDC09122009]

Your assessment of the German refugee invasion crisis makes valuable points about the effects it’s having on security, association, expression and privacy.
The one major flaw you need to correct is mislabeling the refugee crisis consequences as “unintended”.

Recent leaks from Soros sources indicate otherwise.
The Syrian refugee crisis / creation of ISIS was a deliberate case of orchestrating creative destruction for the “intended consequence” to affect EU governance.

Global powers that be and Soros directed puppet Obola to let slip the islamic dogs of war, for EU havoc.

Islam’s jihad on the west is war, plain and simple, and our leaders are all in on it, collaboratively working against us.

http://soros.dcleaks.com/fview/President/2016/international-migration-initiative-governance-and-enforcement-may-12-2016/imi_governance-enforcement-prd-5.12.2016.pdf

Various international groups are working to normalize the migrant crisis currently overtaking Europe, leaked memos from a George Soros organization reveal.

Produced by a group called DCLeaks.com, hacked documents taken from the billionaire’s Open Society Foundation International Migration Initiative Thursday illustrate the extent to which the group has been working to make nations accept the current migrant crisis as the “new normal.”

A nine-page memo entitled, “Migration Governance and Enforcement,” provides insight into how the NGO has influenced immigration policy on a global scale.

“The current refugee crisis is creating space to reconsider the governance of migration and the international refugee regime,” states the report, adding that the group’s ambitions include to “strengthen norm-setting” of immigration and to “more effectively protect the rights of migrants.”

“We aimed to prevent the violation of migrants’ rights by minimizing harsh border controls and decreasing the widespread use of detention and deportation,” the OSF report admits.

“We deliberately avoided the term ‘global governance’ because there is no single system at the global level for managing migration,” states the report prepared by Soros operatives Anna Crowley and Kate Rosin.

The leaked memo also makes it clear the NGO views the migrant crisis as an opportunity to expand its globalist agenda.

“As our aspirations have evolved, our targets have shifted from harm reduction to more proactive solutions-based policy influencing,” states the report.

“The current climate presents new opportunities for reforming migration governance at the global level, whether through the existing multi-lateral system, or by bringing together a range of actors to think more innovatively.”

The report also discusses failures to capitalize on opportunities to spur “grassroots level” support for migration and funding issues, but says “The refugee crisis is opening new opportunities for this.”

The leaked report also laments the “rise of the radical right,” and says immigration advocates’ “traditional arguments are not working,” however, the NGO is “experimenting with framings and argumentation, both at elite and popular levels.”

Rather than working out ways to stem the migrant flow, the report instead insists nations including those in Europe and the Mediterranean should accept the “current crisis as the new normal” and look ahead to long-term planning solutions.

“There is a need to create more space for reflection, stock-taking and development of mid- and longer-term strategies.”

[MarchonDC09122009]

Your post Perfectly sums it up!
Our founding fathers were very clear on the dangers of foreigners in our midst that have divided loyalties.
A house divided shall not stand.

RE: “They can never integrate a people who hold another constitution greater than their host nation dear to their heart.

Worse than that, the new people want to supplant the existing constitution of their host.

It’s like Obama and crew maintaining that the American constitution is “outdated” and needs to be replaced with something more sharia compliant.

[ronnie raygun]

It is a military tactic not a religion

[PA-RIVER]

You are right. As more arrive, the worse it will get.

20 years from now we will see a massacre a week on US soil.

[Hardastarboard]

Nowhere in the article is the point made that there is no "right" to enter Germany as a refugee or otherwise except as European Union treaty requires. Because this principle has been ignored, real rights (association, expression, privacy, etc.) are infringed.

Sounds like America, unfortunately. You might want to consider moving home, although be advised, I don't believe it is possible to escape Left Wing Lunacy in any place on the planet in the modern world, unfortunately.

[Gaffer]

I've often wondered what is behind this zealous drive to "absorb" unknowns in to German or European society. One thing I've always tried to first think about is "follow the money." With respect to 'immigrants' to Germany; maybe it isn't money but resources. So I looked for the latest I could find on where Germany gets its oil (as of 2005).

In adding up the percentages from the Islamic countries, the total comes to a little over 25%, the largest amount however, being 'non-Muslim' from Russia (34%). Just observations and certainly not a smoking gun (at least in 2005 numbers).

At this point, however, as you say the article blames 'fear' when real crime by refugees caused the fear. This in itself is both alarming and indicative of some very mixed up thinking. If this thinking is coming from government then it is truly a bad omen.

[uncitizen]

if we even have 20 years.