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To: Alter Kaker

The Crimea has historically been part of Russia since the reign of Czar Peter I. Before that it was a province of the Ottoman Empire. Before that it belonged to the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium for those subjected to the biases of Western History). The population is overwhelmingly ethnic Russian with no love for the Ukraine. The USSR placed the Crimea under the administrative jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR when they were still part of USSR.

Any respect at all for the right of popular self determination would land Crimea inside Russia. I have my differences with Putin (and Trump), but on this subject they are both right.

And lastly there is no way Crimea is ever going back to Ukraine short of a major war. So rather than bleating about things that we can’t change, which only advertises our weakness, it would seem a good idea to accept the fait accompli and move on.


13 posted on 07/31/2016 10:50:36 AM PDT by NRx (A man of integrity passes his father's civilization to his son, without selling it off to strangers.)
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To: NRx
The USSR placed the Crimea under the administrative jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR when they were still part of USSR.

Which was a purely symbolic act by Khrushchev, who was trying to curry favor with the Ukrainians when he was in the power struggle to replace Stalin.

16 posted on 07/31/2016 10:52:01 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: NRx

More than that, we need just a tad bit of realism.

Short of war, what are you going to do about it? This is the “impeachment question” that the GOP won’t answer. Sure, you oppose Obama and Obamacare. So what? Prove it. Impeach him or shut down government. What’s that? You won’t? Then you don’t oppose Obama.

There is no way under dubious circumstances we or ANY western power is going to engage in military action to try to force Russia out of territory on its doorstep, regardless of your (correct) historical analysis here.

To jump on Trump for stating reality is both hypocritical and downright stupid.


20 posted on 07/31/2016 10:54:04 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: NRx

After centuries of Russian mass murder and deportation in Crimea there just are not many locals left there. I wouldn’t doubt a majority of ethnic Russians living there now would vote to be in Russia. That is a big part of the reason Ukraine gave it up without a fight, IMO.


23 posted on 07/31/2016 10:59:53 AM PDT by lodi90 (Clear choice for Conservatives now: TRUMP or lose)
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To: NRx

Your post is excellent.

I would only add, that the alternative to Russia having the Crimea, is that Turkey takes over, as they are poised to do. That would mean, in turn, that ISIS has a new base, right on the edge of Europe.


144 posted on 07/31/2016 3:54:24 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: NRx

Very good analysis. It’s done.Sounds like the Press wants WWIII. We can parachute them into Ukraine then and...good luck.


175 posted on 08/01/2016 9:25:38 AM PDT by Lent
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To: NRx

Add safe passage for the other 10%?


176 posted on 08/01/2016 10:47:29 AM PDT by Bethaneidh (Likely to annoy someone every time. Get over it.)
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To: NRx

....”there is no way Crimea is ever going back to Ukraine short of a major war”....

Correct. It’s a done deal.


216 posted on 08/01/2016 7:21:03 PM PDT by caww
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