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Saul Alinsky's 1972 interview with Playboy Magazine
1972
Posted on 07/21/2016 11:13:16 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
Originally published in The Progress Report in 13 pieces, here it is in full, easy access.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
Part 8
Part 9
Part 10
Part 11
Part 12
Part 13
Due to probable copyright issues, I probably should not simply cut and paste from the archive.(That's what I would prefer most to do) But I thought many of you would find this to be a useful resource.
TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: 1972; alinsky; alinskyinterview; clinton; crookedhillary; hillary; interview; radicalleft; rulesforradicals; saulalinsky
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Alinsky has come back into the news cycle, and this interview is one of the most thorough with regards to the many topics covered.
To: mvonfr; Southside_Chicago_Republican; celmak; SvenMagnussen; miss marmelstein; ...
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07/21/2016 11:13:43 AM PDT
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ProgressingAmerica
(We cannot leave history to the historians anymore.)
To: ProgressingAmerica
Which link is for the centerfold?
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07/21/2016 11:15:21 AM PDT
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Yo-Yo
(Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
To: ProgressingAmerica
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07/21/2016 11:15:54 AM PDT
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sauropod
(Beware the fury of a patient man. I've lost my patience!)
To: ProgressingAmerica
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07/21/2016 11:18:26 AM PDT
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Federal46
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To: ProgressingAmerica
"Honey, I got the March 72' Playboy for the Alinsky interview, not the Ellen Michaels centerfold..."
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07/21/2016 11:19:35 AM PDT
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PMAS
(All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
To: Snickering Hound
“Pictures? Playboy has pictures? Who knew?”
To: ProgressingAmerica
ALINSKY: "Sometimes it seems to me that the question people should ask is not 'Is there life after death?' but 'Is there life after birth?' I don't know whether there's anything after this or not. I haven't seen the evidence one way or the other and I don't think anybody else has either. But I do know that man's obsession with the question comes out of his stubborn refusal to face up to his own mortality. Let's say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell."
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07/21/2016 11:22:52 AM PDT
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Baynative
(Freedom; the dream of every human, the birth right of every American.)
To: ProgressingAmerica
To: Baynative
"Let's say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell."
I'm sure he got his wish.
To: ProgressingAmerica
Thanks so much for the links!
To: ProgressingAmerica
One of the very interesting issues raised in this interview is when Alinsky states that the middle class is large in numbers, and the poor are a relatively small percentage. He's stating this to make the point that fashioning a political movement by appealing to the poor and disaffected would not generate enough support. To me, this would be a positive, essentially saying that we were making headway against poverty and that we had a good shot at eradicating the relatively small percentage of poverty - and making everyone’s quality of life better.
He, and likely many of the current political elite on the left, see it differently. He wanted, and they want, to decrease the percentage of people in the middle class, and shift more and more of them to the ‘impoverished’. Then, and only then, will the impoverished represent a large enough percentage of the populace to allow the left to enlist them against the rest of society. Interesting.
To: pieceofthepuzzle
One of the very interesting issues raised in this interview is when Alinsky states that the middle class is large in numbers, and the poor are a relatively small percentage. He's stating this to make the point that fashioning a political movement by appealing to the poor and disaffected would not generate enough support.
Do you:
a) Court the middle-class with freebies such as free college tuition, free health care and mortgages for homes they can't afford in order to co-opt them?
b) Use the Tax Code to convert the middle-class into the poor?
c) Import a whole new underclass of poor people from the third-world?
d) All of the above
To: Baynative
ALINSKY: “Sometimes it seems to me that the question people should ask is not ‘Is there life after death?’ but ‘Is there life after birth?’ I don’t know whether there’s anything after this or not. I haven’t seen the evidence one way or the other and I don’t think anybody else has either. But I do know that man’s obsession with the question comes out of his stubborn refusal to face up to his own mortality. Let’s say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.”
It always comes back to their relationship, or not, with God. He is all that I know that is the truth my Dear Freepers....eveything else is an illusion and I am as sure of this as Alinsky is of hell itself.
Enjoy asshat!!!
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07/21/2016 11:33:04 AM PDT
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Uversabound
(Our Military past and present: Our Highest example of Brotherhood of Man & Doing God's Will)
To: Paine in the Neck
Any conservative who has NOT read this book is like a military officer who has never read Sun Tzu or Von Clausewitz. Hate him as you will, but he understood perfectly how to attack ‘the establishment’.
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07/21/2016 11:33:44 AM PDT
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RedStateRocker
(Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
To: Baynative
ALINSKY: "Sometimes it seems to me that the question people should ask is not 'Is there life after death?' but 'Is there life after birth?' I don't know whether there's anything after this or not. I haven't seen the evidence one way or the other and I don't think anybody else has either. But I do know that man's obsession with the question comes out of his stubborn refusal to face up to his own mortality. Let's say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell." LOL, yeah, I was a sophomore in college talking in a coffee shop once, too.
Hillary fell for a common hustler. Then she did it again with Bill.
Now she wants to burn down the world because she couldn't find a better daddy.
Feminism - yeah, right.
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07/21/2016 11:34:10 AM PDT
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Talisker
(One who commands, must obey.)
To: ProgressingAmerica
This part of the interview--the very end--is the most chilling part, in my humble opinion:
ALINSKY: Sometimes it seems to me that the question people should ask is not "Is there life after death?" but "Is there life after birth?" I don't know whether there's anything after this or not. I haven't seen the evidence one way or the other and I don't think anybody else has either. But I do know that man's obsession with the question comes out of his stubborn refusal to face up to his own mortality. Let's say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.
PLAYBOY: Why?
ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there.
PLAYBOY: Why them?
ALINSKY: They're my kind of people.
Some on the Left dismiss Alinsky's obsession with the Underworld in this interview and in the book Rules For Radicals as an attempt at a very dark form of the self-deprecating humor Jews are known for (Alinsky grew up in an Orthodox Jewish family), but once you finish reading Rules for Radicals, we wonder if he's really serious about his obsession with the Underworld....
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07/21/2016 11:39:00 AM PDT
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RayChuang88
(FairTax: America's Economic Cure)
To: ProgressingAmerica
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