Posted on 06/26/2016 12:53:24 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
If there’s one thing I’ve learned about the antivaccine movement, it’s that its members dislike being criticized. Oh, hell, let’s be honest. The really, really hate criticism and react very, very badly to it. Whereas you or I or other skeptics might react to criticism by trying to address it using facts, science, and reason, the first reaction of many antivaccine loons is to attack, attack, attack.
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And your arguments are really, really poor.
Measles in very rare cases causes blindness.... That is an emotional fear tactic. Car accidents in very rare cases also cause blindness. At an elementary school age in a country with hygiene and a family with an adult home to care for the child, measles is a illness one recuperates fully from.
By the way, I would like to immunize my children against measles but I can’t afford all the plane tickets to Europe where I could find a measles vaccine. The MMR causes too many Sequelae. No measles vaccine alone is even offered in the United States. Hm. Big Government Pharma?
Then why are you not focused on shutting the boarder rather than attacking American Families?
I am hard put to name any illness that I would get by sneezing on another person. (OK, OK)
I’ve addressed vaccine science. Since milkmaids and cowpox, I find the science behind vaccination genius. I’ve stated that the smallpox vaccine was top notch science in the 1950s.
I didn’t answer your rhetorical question because you know I haven’t been in a polio ward, etc.
I’m not anti vaccine. I’m anti BEING FORCED TO INJECT MY CHILDREN WITH DRUGS that I see aren’t scientific ENOUGH.
I am guessing you work in the medical or biology world. Well, why aren’t there experiments being done right now with rats where a rat with a healthy bacterial biome and rats with carefully created “poor” biomes are infected with the same vaccine and watch the difference? Also experiments on the neurological development of rats who are injected as pure newborns versus at 3 months of age.
THIS is where vaccine direction should be going.
“Then why are you not focused on shutting the boarder rather than attacking American Families?”
And what would shutting the border do? Keep out people who haven’t benefitted from vaccination? Why would people like that -ever- be a risk to us?
lol
I hear that the Indians (dot, not feather) also knew about inoculations before they knew about germ theory.
It was, and still is, a calculated risk. We get socialism when we tell people that we won’t let them calculate it for themselves.
You carefully said "others" instead of "the vaccinated."
Why? Because being vaccinated doesn't protect the vaccinated, and you know it.
Therefore, you knowingly, deliberately said "others."
Government mandated injections is not a conservative position, it's more of a fascist position of medical and government partnership. Of course you know that a bill was passed in the '70s protecting the drug companies from liability, so they can f you up while smiling at you all the while.
Now we have illegals bringing back disease previously eradicated from the states, and somehow it's the fault of those who are conservative and against mandated vaccinations.
Pining_4_TX is is either truly ignorant or a tool.
Do we have a tin foil hat here?
Back in the day, people who were vaccinated, chose it because there was evidence that yes, it probably would protect them. Probably; no 100% guarantee ever. However most found it a risk they preferred over the alternative, which was getting sick, quarantines, and maybe losing their possessions too.
Mixed situations like this can be addressed in multiple ways. Screen the immigrants better (even if it takes a Trump wall), PLUS encourage people to get themselves immunized against the appropriate diseases as possible. Just because the burglar was never supposed to be on my street doesn’t mean I should not protect my house.
The anti-vax crowd is susceptible to beliefs such as miniscule amounts of mercury being used in the manufacturing process causing autism.
Even though the mercury doesn’t contaminate the samples, they believe that since “it’s close” it does and, even in the smallest amount, can do extensive damage.
Even though mercury is dangerous, it takes more than a fractional exposure to have a problem.
So I see these folks similar to the same set of folks that have fallen for the government sponsored belief that trivial amounts of cigarette smoke are as harmful as radioactive waste.
Couple that with the hyper-reactive parent and you have an explosive combination.
You basically have someone who figures they “know better” and are pissed off when someone doesn’t follow their script.
These are also the same people who:
1) Will go up to smokers and give them crap on the street for smoking. (ironic, as they have to move closer to that dangerous smoke in order to do that).
2) Will scream at the top of their lungs at any car they think is driving to fast through their neighborhood. Some will even go into the street to try and flag down such drivers. (again ironic, as if the level of speed is that dangerous, you’d get away, not run towards it)
Who is keeping track of the mercury content issue? If the autism cause is right, as vaccines used less or no mercury, which would be an undesirable element for other reasons, the problem ought to have diminished or disappeared. Also it would be interesting to see how it was tied to other sources of trace mercury such as wild caught seafood.
Wrong - and you should check that disdainful attitude. Polio was merely renamed symptomatically to hide the failure of the vaccine. Now it's called “Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP). The term AFP includes Guillain-Barre’ syndrome aka “French Polio”, traumatic neuritis, Reye’s syndrome, enteroviral encephalitis, transverse myelitis, and poliomyelitis." (Vaccine Fraud: The Polio Elimination by Vaccine Hoax )
My wife asked her DR for a Tetanus shot and was told that the only way to get it these days is a DPT shot, a three in one shot.
You certainly sound like a fount of tin foil and disdainful attitude.
After being with you, I have the strongest temptation to check whether my car actually does take me from place to place, because after all the fuel is had from those evil oil companies. Maybe they hypnotized me and my car is only an illusion for which I am paying dearly.
See the link at #93. And that’s not the only source for that info. Vaccines are marginally effective and often the source of illness. The immune system itself, alone, is the vastly more common healer of all disease.
Also, citing how many people were terrified into vaccinations has nothing to do with establishing the efficacy of those vaccinations.
The Natural Society.
Yup.
Greenies.
Oh, now “marginally” and that had to be wrenched out of those greenies.
Well based on your concept of a logical argument, I'm not surprised you think that way.
I would have caught the attitude from you, but fortunately I was immunized in thought against actually getting a bad case.
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