I have argued for years that Kansas and Oklahoma should also secede, join Texas in a new entity, and call their nation ... what else?
Posted on 06/24/2016 8:19:23 PM PDT by Trump20162020
The historic “Brexit” vote has the Texas Nationalist Movement calling on Governor Greg Abbott to support a “Texit.”
“It is past time that the people of Texas had their say on our continued relationship with the Union and its sprawling Federal bureaucracy,” TNM president Daniel Miller posted on the group’s website. “The win for Brexit opens the door for Texit by establishing, concretely, that it is possible to have an adult conversation on independence and letting the people have the final say.”
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They could try but there are numerous military posts/bases located with the Texas Republic and I’m not so sure that all of those military folk would heed an Obama order at this point. Choose whom this day you will serve.
Lots of ‘legal ramifications’ to be dealt with.
Some open questions:
What happens to US military installations in TX? Who pays for them? Do they stay and belong to TX - with or without the ‘contents’? Does TX create its own military, or could it/should it ‘pay for protection’ and let the rest of the US provide the military?
What happens to Texas taxpayers who paid into social security and medicare? Do they keep paying in and then can draw out? Do they lose the right to to draw out?
What about retired federal government workers or retired military in TX - do they continue drawing their pensions? Do they now escape paying US federal taxes on the pensions?
The US debt is about $20 Trillion. What portion of that debt belongs to TX and its citizens?
Look...seceding from the US SOUNDS nice...but there are LOTS more questions....in search of answers.
For the BREXIT...there is a 2 year transition period to address some other their possible problems. How many years would it take to provide a proper ‘separation and divorce’??
While I agree with you 100% in principle, IMO the federal government has abrogated the Constitution so frequently and so thoroughly that I honestly don't believe that morally or legally it has the right to block a state from leaving the union.
The US Constitution is a farce. Law in this country is, on any given day, whatever the entity that has the physical power to enforce it wants it to be.
Pretty much the definition of a banana republic.
Your questions are cute ... I didn’t forget /s did you?
Our peaceful revolt against the excesses of the left comes this November.
Anything that is not an earned benefit from the foreign nation USA, would be lost. If people want their SS, Medicare, Medicaid etc, they are at the whim of that government. I am not a young man anymore, and I would give up any claim to perceived benefits, to live and die in a free land. The US debt, is owed to a private for profit corporation, the “Federal Reserve inc”. It can be written off with a stroke of the pen and a shout of Hi YO Silver AWAY...
I have argued for years that Kansas and Oklahoma should also secede, join Texas in a new entity, and call their nation ... what else?
I am as fed up as anyone with the overbearing, corrupt, secretive, and ideologically-driven actions of the Federal government, especially this administration. But breaking up the union is an existential issue that any administration, Democrat or Republican, would have to treat with the utmost seriousness.
BREXIT took advantage of Article 50 in the EU Treaty providing a means of withdrawing from the voluntary union. This article, which is standard for such treaties, was incorporated in the treaty from the beginning because the treaty is an agreement between sovereign nations, not political subdivisions within a single nation.
There is no similar clause in the U. S. Constitution.
To make an orderly and peaceful departure for Texas possible, you first have to pass a proposed amendment to the Constitution allowing such an action and get 37 states to approve it. Good luck with that.
Alternatively, the last time some Americans made a really, really serious effort to withdraw from the “indivisible” nation without such a clause, you may recall there was a civil war that killed 600K soldiers, wounded millions more, and savaged nearly half of the states comprising the nation at the time.
State of Jefferson intends to leave California not the US.
People are different today, who is going to join a fight against Texas?
The point is moot anyhow, if there was even the remote possibility of Texas or any other state actually succeeding in seceding, the dollar and economy would drop and our cities go up in flames so fast that no one would care.
Too bad
A few questions for you.
Where in the Constitution does it state once you join the Union, you can never leave it?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Constitution even addresses secession in plain language. Does it?
If our fore fathers were told once you joined the Union, you could never leave it, do you think they would have joined?
It doesn't.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Constitution even addresses secession in plain language. Does it?
It doesn't.
If our fore fathers were told once you joined the Union, you could never leave it, do you think they would have joined?
Yes
“It is now subject to the same constitutional restraints as every other state.”
Not exactly, for one thing it has the right to split into as many as 5 states. Texas could have 10 senators essentially if it pleases.
Social Security is a federal program. How many will give that up? But I’m guessing quite a few Freepers will say the states will have to assume the obligation.
“If our fore fathers were told once you joined the Union, you could never leave it, do you think they would have joined?”
It’s not a suicide pact. And if they intended for it to be irrevocable, they would have said so.
I believe that Donald Trump's victory will bring on riots. But I think that Hildebeast could start another American civil war.
Thank God for that.
And if they intended for it to be irrevocable, they would have said so.
Article XIII from the Articles of Confederation:
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.
I don't profess to be a scholar of History but maybe Article 13 was one of the reasons they decided to toss out the Articles of Confederation and start again from scratch.
I think of it like a corporation that divests its best company so as to keep the rest of the corporation solvent. Texas will run economic circles around the rest of the U.S. if allowed to be deshackled from Washington and allowed to grow their own economy.
For one thing, when Obamacare enslaves every American citizen under single payer, a free Texas will be where the rich and connected will go to avoid the long lines and poor services that comes with “free” health care. Texas will be for the U.S. what the U.S. once was to Canada, only moreso.
In short, Texas will buy their way into paying off the army bases, air traffic control system and other federal entanglements in order to nationalize them and they will set up a system to honor our veterans and social security recipients. There will be (at least at first) an income tax to help pay for all the new services and security Texas will need but it can be done.
For liberals, they subtract two conservative Senate seats from Washington and more GOP house seats than Democrats so there is an upside for them.
For conservatives, there will still be one bastion of liberty and freedom after the U.S. becomes a completely socialist state.
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