Posted on 06/17/2016 6:03:46 PM PDT by Kaslin
Regarding the Orlando shooting, notice how quickly the media pivoted from the culpability of a sexually repressed Muslim Afghan registered Democrat mass murderer to an assault on firearms? Forget Islam and jihad and the Obama administration's resolute determination to fundamentally change the nature of the United States by importing as many Muslims from alien, anti-Christian and anti-Western cultures as possible. The real problem, in their view, is gun violence:
The mass shootings that have terrorized America have led to a new focus on how to survive them. Though far from an exact science, these efforts are based on a disturbing amount of data – including case studies, the body counts from these tragedies and the personal narratives of people who somehow got out alive.
A number of private companies now train office workers in how to respond in an active-shooter event. The experts agree: Following a few simple rules can help boost a person’s chance of survival. Being mentally prepared to take action in a crisis — or simply knowing where a building’s exits are — can make the difference.
“When you go somewhere, you don’t want to put yourself in a situation where if you get found, you don’t have any options,” said J. Pete Blair, executive director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center, based at Texas State University. Blair co-authored “Active Shooter: Events and Response,” which includes guidance for civilians. The book’s mantra is “Avoid, Deny and Defend.”
The piece goes on to list possible strategies for not becoming part of the body count, including flight, barricading yourself, and (as a last resort) defending yourself as best you can -- without a gun:
Blair’s book warns against people with concealed handguns trying to engage a killer except as a last resort:
“The last thing you want to do in an active shooter event is to pull your gun out and go hunting for the shooter. If there are other concealed gun carriers in the attack location, they may shoot you. If the police show up and you are running around with a gun, they will probably shoot you. Remember that no one knows who you are. The responders are looking for someone with a gun and you match that description.”
That assumes the police arrive in a timely manner. But in Orlando, they -- out of an abundance of caution -- spent hours outside the club while the shooter preened, phoned, texted and checked Facebook. Who knows how many of the wounded died in the interim?
In the end, fighting back is always an option, as Blair notes:
Research suggests that there is little hope of reasoning with a mass killer, Blair said. The better move, if there’s no way to flee or find protective cover, is for multiple people to swarm the attacker. They should use whatever they have at hand as a weapon — coffee cups, car keys, anything.
“In general, this person has already shown a desire to murder people. To murder a lot of people,” Blair said. “Is there a chance you might be able to talk him down? There might be a chance. That chance is probably small. We just don’t see it happen in these cases. But we do know that in about 1 out of 5 cases we’ve seen people successfully stop the attacker.”
Those odds might rapidly improve should the nation adopt constitutional carry. As Al Capone famously noted (apocryphally, alas) of his own Brooklyn neighborhood, you get farther with a kind word and a gun than with just a kind word. No real Americans, legally armed, would let the possibility of getting shot by the cops stop a chance to halt a mass murder in progress, even at the cost of their own lives.
The Untouchables (1/10) Movie CLIP - A Kind Word and a Gun (1987) HD
There was a time in America when something like the St. Valentine's Day massacre shocked and outraged the nation, setting off a war against the ethnic gangsters in America's largest cities. In response, state and federal authorities did three things: they effectively banned certain automatic weapons via a crippling tax and strict licensing requirements without unduly infringing the Second Amendment; they cracked down hard on the Irish, Italian and Jewish gangs behind most of the Prohibition mayhem throughout the Roaring Twenties and into the Thirties; and they repealed Prohibition itself. That's what a comprehensive attack on the root causes of crime back then looked like.
Everybody understood that the gangs were the real problem, the types of firearms only a symptom. Do we have the same courage and national determination today to name the enemy and deal with him accordingly?
Don’t know why a bunch of able bodied like minded men did not storm the guy for me I’d rather go out fighting that just Siting there I’m my own juices waiting my turn to die
I know of at least four people who carry in the Mass I attend. If a shooter shows up I know that the Army vet who carries is my first hope. The AA lady with the gun in her purse is my last option. I may simply pass my weapon on to Mr. M who is former army and a better shot. But it will be there.
Can’t fight back if you’re in one of those “Gun Free “ zones since you don’t have a weapon. Yep.
There are situations where there are no good options.
It is best to try and stay away from them.
The only men there were women.
If you’re going to die anyway, try and take as many of the enemy as you can with you.
Unlikely. The more likely scenario is the terrorist starts shooting and someone who is carrying takes out the shooter.
I do not fault the victims in the Pulse mass shooting as instincts would impel you to freeze and flee. I wasn't there so hate to second guess anyone. And some did give their lives for others. If anyone tried to fight back even if unarmed while the killer was distracted, we don't know.
Theoretically it could have been done if not under direct fire. Also if the police could have punched more holes in the building, it could have thrown off the shooter and not just gained entry but a porthole of sorts with which to kill the shooter. That is assuming there could have been more armored vehicles or robots. I don't get why the police let these things go on for so long; people insist that if we read the timeline we will see why.
Maybe all people could think what they could try to do which would be harder with more shooters. Would I lie on the floor wounded but not totally incapacitated while the killer came back around and fired more shots to ensure death or could I have made a last-ditch attempt to grab a leg or do something to throw the killer off guard to try to save myself and others? Probably I wouldn't but maybe some would.
If shooting starts, maybe grab something, anything for an improvised weapon and then make your next move. Anything you try to do requires some thought even though in a panic.
The author here failed to cite the Number One Rule regarding a gun fight. /sarc
My first thought was of the guys on the airplane on 9/11 saying “Let’s Roll”. A lone gunman can only shoot so many people at once if they are charging him. Even if one life is saved, that’s at least one.
My first defense is to stay out of Sanctuary Cities. Just moved way far away from, ‘The People’s Republik of Madistan.’
It is RIPE for the picking. They (Liberals) have built it and they (Radicals) are already there...
Never go anywhere without a gun. When will we learn. Glock 17. Great. It would have saved 30 deaths of innocent people in Orlando, Ban Wahhabis— not guns. Stop these insane “gun free zones” . Te last three slaughters by wahhabi sect sunnis were in “gun free zones” Can we learn here? There is a clue!!
I’ve been through the active shooter training, and we recently had a drill on it. People complained that the room we sheltered in made us all sitting ducks, and I looked around and pointed out that there were plenty of weapons in that room.
With a little imagination, almost anything can be a weapon.
Which, come to think of it is why gun control would never work... even if liberals were able to achieve 100% gun control, we still have an endless variety of weapons.
Of the three responses, repealing Prohibition was the most effective.
In 2014, a guy at Seattle Pacific University waited until the murderer was reloading his shotgun, then jumped him and kept him down until help arrived. It probably depends on the situation, but instead of running, one should look for an opportunity to rush the shooter if possible.
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