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Four ways Hillary Clinton will work to end gun ownership as president
Fox News ^ | June 06, 2016 | John R. Lott

Posted on 06/07/2016 7:19:11 AM PDT by detective

On Sunday, Hillary Clinton just couldn’t bring herself to say on ABC's "This Week" that Americans have an individual right to own guns. But it didn’t stop her from denying Donald Trump’s claim that she wants to abolish the Second Amendment. Clinton accused Trump of making “outright fabrications, accusing me of something that is absolutely untrue.”

From changing the Supreme Court to make it possible to again ban guns in the United States to making it more costly to own guns, I predict that a President Hillary Clinton will do four things to either ban guns or at least reduce gun ownership, especially for poor people:

1. Sunday, George Stephanopoulos pushed Clinton twice on whether people have a right to own guns on ABC News’ "This Week": “But that's not what I asked. I said do you believe that their conclusion that an individual's right to bear arms is a constitutional right?” Clinton could only say: “If it is a constitutional right...”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016issues; 2ndamendment; awb; banglist; bonnieschaefer; clinton; clintons; gunconfiscation; guncontrol; gunvote; hillary2016; secondamendment
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To: illiac

Buy em cheap and stack em deep.


41 posted on 06/07/2016 9:30:32 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: Qiviut; SkyDancer

“There’s a critical difference in those two scenarios .... they do NOT want to find the illegals .... they WILL want to confiscate guns/ammo.”


There’s an ancient Chinese saying that advises one to “be careful what you wish for, you may get it.” I’d say that this applies to the fantasy of attempting to disarm the American people like Australia did with its folks a few years ago. It might work as a purely academic exercise, with assinine assumptions that don’t get tested in the real world, but when you actually put those assumptions to the test...they might not work out so well.

FYI, there are about 400 million guns, not 110 million. http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/09/us-will-reach-400-million-private.html That latter figure might be approximately the number of gun OWNERS.

Oh, BTW, Clinton and her crew have obviously not gamed what happens to the US economy if you suddenly remove a few million highly productive, non-welfare-taking, people from the workforce (by killing or imprisoning them). Here’s a hint - the economy tanks, immmediately. Removing just 5% of them, some 5.5 million taxpayers, would have devastating consequences. Plus you’d have the families of those people who would have blood in their eyes, and do everything in their power to gum up the works, economically and otherwise. Plus, this doesn’t consider what even 1% of those gun owners (1.1 million people) could do to the nation’s commerce - like, for example, threatening to set up ambushes for 18-wheelers on major interstates from “flyover” country into the coastal cities. There wouldn’t have to be one shot fired, not one person wounded or killed, and many hundreds of thousands of truckers would simply say, “Nope, I ain’t going, no one can make me.” Let’s see how the coastal shitties do without a lot of food, fuel, etc., etc.


42 posted on 06/07/2016 9:33:31 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: SkyDancer

12 million illegals aren’t signing up for a “permit”. So it’s much easier to go after the guns that are “registered”.


43 posted on 06/07/2016 9:34:18 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale FL (zombie land). TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: DuncanWaring

He is: http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/09/us-will-reach-400-million-private.html


44 posted on 06/07/2016 9:35:24 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Farmer Dean

So when they come, the goal is to take as many with you as possible then?


45 posted on 06/07/2016 9:39:50 AM PDT by bicyclerepair (Ft. Lauderdale FL (zombie land). TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Farmer Dean; apillar

“If we get to the point of door to door firearms confiscation,expect those doing the searches to conduct themselves like the Nazis did in occupied countries.They will be looking for any excuse to kill.”


If we get to that point, the job of “door-to-door gun confiscator” will become one with very high turnover. Some of that will occur because some of the cops simply won’t do it. The rest will come from workplace accidents. America isn’t Belgium or France - we’ve got a very different history, and also the benefit of knowing what happens when a gun confiscation occurs in that fashion.

In any case, I strongly advise the confiscators to be very careful when approaching my cooling body, to take my hot gun from my hands...because they might slip on all of the brass cases surrounding me.

Seriously, if they EVER try anything like that, buy stock in funeral homes and casket makers...they’re going to do business like at no time since the Civil War.


46 posted on 06/07/2016 9:40:48 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ancesthntr

It will be like Prohibition .... while the government officially prohibits, there will be a healthy underground for guns & ammo. People I know who are absolutely law-abiding & pretty compliant on everything else, have told me they will, under no circumstances, give up their guns. Plans have been made to “disappear” their arsenals temporarily, until the ‘winds’ change. Stacy Dash was on Hannity last night when this came up - she said anyone trying to take guns away from those in the ‘hood’, etc. will get shot for their trouble. It will be CWII for sure.


47 posted on 06/07/2016 9:41:06 AM PDT by Qiviut (In Islam you have to die for Allah. The God I worship died for me. [Franklin Graham])
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To: Ancesthntr

There were claims of “200 million” 15 years ago; based on that and sales rates since, we passed 400 million several years ago.


48 posted on 06/07/2016 9:47:17 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bicyclerepair

When they come,I won’t be at home.


49 posted on 06/07/2016 9:51:16 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (Never be more than two steps away from your weapon.)
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To: Ancesthntr

In AUS years after their stupid gun law there were still instances of gun violence that the law was supposed to cure.


50 posted on 06/07/2016 9:56:30 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: bicyclerepair

Guess I’ll have to show them the area of Hood Canal where my boat swamped and they fell into the water .... 1300 feet down.


51 posted on 06/07/2016 9:57:28 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: DuncanWaring

“There were claims of “200 million” 15 years ago; based on that and sales rates since, we passed 400 million several years ago.”


Read the article - the case for roughly 400 million is laid out quite nicely, including production + imports - exports.

That said, I’d be much happier if there were 500 million or 600 million - it’d make us that much less likely to have to go through this process. FYI, if she (and I use that word advisedly) is elected (another word that I use advisedly), look for sales in the October - January period to skyrocket immensely, until she shuts them down. I can easily see 3 million/month, assuming that the stock and production allow for it. Prices for guns and ammo will triple, at least.

Of course, if Trump is elected there will still be hefty sales, just not the panic buying that we’ve seen for 8 years. I would look forward to suppressors being legalized (and wouldn’t a .300 Blackout AR with a suppressor and a night-vision scope be a wonderful thing!), with a chance that the ‘86 FOPA prohibition on new full autos could be lifted (and it could be marketed as a revenue raiser - at $200 per, selling 5 million happy switches for existing ARs would raise $1 billion).


52 posted on 06/07/2016 10:06:28 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: SkyDancer

“In AUS years after their stupid gun law there were still instances of gun violence that the law was supposed to cure.”


Of course:

1) You never get them all;

2) You can’t stop all smuggling, or theft from local LEOs; and

3) You can’t un-invent something. Surely, there are machine shops in Australia pumping out parts on the sly, and making a fortune. If the operators are smart, these are mobile, so as not to be tied to a particular location.

FYI, all three of these factors will be in operation here, in spades, if something like that occurs. You will also be guaranteed to see many, many more full autos - because if the penalties are very severe for fairly innocuous weapons, then what’s the downside to something with much more firepower?


53 posted on 06/07/2016 10:09:46 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: RayChuang88

If you want to overturn the Second Amendment, it would require a Constitutional Amendment
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That’s what people thought about the natural born citizen requirement for President.

It’s easier to just ignore it like it’s not there.


54 posted on 06/07/2016 10:12:42 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Jim Noble

When the current President is not a natural born citizen as required by the Constitution, does any of it have any meaning?


55 posted on 06/07/2016 10:14:43 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: detective

For this to come to pass, Hillary must be inagurated


56 posted on 06/07/2016 10:15:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....Opabinia can teach us a lot)
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To: Qiviut

“It will be like Prohibition .... while the government officially prohibits, there will be a healthy underground for guns & ammo. People I know who are absolutely law-abiding & pretty compliant on everything else, have told me they will, under no circumstances, give up their guns.”


Yup. I was very surprised about 30 years ago to hear that my kindly old, LAW-ABIDING, grandparents had set up a bathtub still! OK, so they weren’t exactly competitors for the Mafia - it was for personal use, and Grandpa was a doc so he knew his chemistry pretty well - but, nevertheless, they were two of likely millions of law-breakers. It’ll be worse with guns, especially with how cheap mills and 3-D printers have become.

Regarding the “hood” factor - I honestly believe that there will be at least a 10% attrition factor for the raiders - and much of that will be OUTSIDE of the “hood.” Folks just WON’T be disarmed.

FYI, many guns, with literally millions more each year, are already “off paper.” What happens to Grandpa’s .45 or his deer gun when he dies? Well, no one reports the guns, they just get handed out. Many are sold at gun shows, flea markets and in simple face-to-face transactions as people try to raise cash. Those not sold are gone from the records - no one will admit to having them and there’s no reporting requirement (in almost all states). Add to that people who purposely acquire guns off paper in the first place, as a matter of personal safety and anonymity. You’re looking at probably at least 150 million guns that aren’t on paper anywhere (including about 95 million that existed before the 4473 even came into existence in 1968).


57 posted on 06/07/2016 10:25:00 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Farmer Dean

I’ve lived a pretty long ling, but before I go to a gulag there will be blood. It may very well be mine, but it won’t be mine alone.

Then comes the vengeance factor. You are going to send government thugs around shooting gun owners who refuse to comply and expect that their families are not going to seek revenge on those doing the murders? Human nature dictates this will happen, aka the blood feud.


58 posted on 06/07/2016 11:12:23 AM PDT by sarge83
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To: Ancesthntr

Chicago is a good example, the most restrictive of any city in the US and look how well their gun laws work.


59 posted on 06/07/2016 11:13:23 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: detective

Actually, there’s at least five.

As with not having health insurance, they can theoretically tax us for owning guns.


60 posted on 06/07/2016 11:46:50 AM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be earned and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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