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Posted on 05/24/2016 11:00:56 AM PDT by rarestia
Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.
Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.
"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."
Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.
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Yes, the many promises to not have a national gun registry begin to be broken.
If you’ve ever purchased a gun and gone through the NICS background check you are in a federal database as a gun owner.
And don’t give me that nonsense that it’s illegal for them to retain that information.
Gun registry data base? Oh yeah. I need to take mine down and voluntarily have them entered into the data base. Of course I have to go diving to see if I can recover them.
How Forward Looking,,,
Haikus:
Left unstated is
The massive hostility
To white people there
Many places there
It’s not safe for white people
To walk down the street.
Hate crimes against whites
Are not investigated
There so they need guns
How does a state put gun owners into a federal database that doesn’t exist? Or, am I missing something.
I sold my guns to two aborigines in the Australian outback.
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SATBA (Shame About That Boating Accident).
I miss the rule of law. I hope that (1) decent people, whether civilian or government, will not comply, (2) those with the right skills will hack the database and trash it, and (3) as soon as we have a real president, Trump will order this infringement on our privacy and security deleted with no backups or records.
Krikey. Wut are they gonna do? Kill some shrimp for the barbie?
Maybe they would go out of their way to provide the information to the feds. Maybe to the FBI. Or keep the records in case the feds ever wanted them.
Sounds a bit vexatious.
And just where are they going to get the names from?
The NICS check?
States do not get to decide on a whim who they are going to enter into the federal NCIC database. There are established guidelines in which a state risks loosing access to the database if they violate the terms and conditions of use.
An example is if a state or agency is not protecting the information against unlawful disclosure they can loose access and even face fines and criminal charges.
The database information is to be used for legitimate law enforcement purposes only. Federal law already forbids the federal government from tracking this information and they would not take kindly for some state to use their database to violate federal law.
I think I bought those.
“Oh yeah. I need to take mine down and voluntarily have them entered into the data base.”
This the crux of the matter. Say Hillary won and enacted a federal registry. Just who in their right mind is going to voluntarily comply? No one in Montana, that’s for sure.
Ya, thats the reality of it. Despite being told not to, federal LE has done just that. While a database may not exist as such Im sure it would be a very easy matter to create it from records that were ‘purged’ but backedup. The ATF does something similar with 4473s. When they visit an FFL almost all the time copies of 4473s for HGs and so called assault weapons are made. These are certainly put into a database.
That said lets consider NICS and prosecutions to date of prohibited purchasers - it almost never happens. A larger database likely wouldnt be used for broad harassment of gun onwers. To begin it would be used to make a few high profile cases to cow the rest of us. If that doesnt work more draconian mathods would be applied...to people in the database.
OTOH we all know the end of any database is confiscation. Its just the way those things work. It begins though with the best on intentions.
Hawaii is a very, very liberal state. Makes MA & CT look centrist. Not gun friendly at all.
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