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1 posted on 05/24/2016 11:00:56 AM PDT by rarestia
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Yes, the many promises to not have a national gun registry begin to be broken.


2 posted on 05/24/2016 11:05:12 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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If you’ve ever purchased a gun and gone through the NICS background check you are in a federal database as a gun owner.

And don’t give me that nonsense that it’s illegal for them to retain that information.


3 posted on 05/24/2016 11:06:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("During a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" --George Orwell)
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How Forward Looking,,,


5 posted on 05/24/2016 11:07:21 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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Haikus:

Left unstated is
The massive hostility
To white people there

Many places there
It’s not safe for white people
To walk down the street.

Hate crimes against whites
Are not investigated
There so they need guns


6 posted on 05/24/2016 11:08:11 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (Don't be a lone wolf. Form up small leaderlesss cells ASAP !)
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How does a state put gun owners into a federal database that doesn’t exist? Or, am I missing something.


7 posted on 05/24/2016 11:08:21 AM PDT by Ancient Man
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Papieren, bitte...

9 posted on 05/24/2016 11:09:54 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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SATBA (Shame About That Boating Accident).


10 posted on 05/24/2016 11:09:59 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Better questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.)
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I miss the rule of law. I hope that (1) decent people, whether civilian or government, will not comply, (2) those with the right skills will hack the database and trash it, and (3) as soon as we have a real president, Trump will order this infringement on our privacy and security deleted with no backups or records.


11 posted on 05/24/2016 11:10:35 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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Sounds a bit vexatious.


14 posted on 05/24/2016 11:13:49 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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And just where are they going to get the names from?

The NICS check?


15 posted on 05/24/2016 11:16:20 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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Blatantly illegal.

States do not get to decide on a whim who they are going to enter into the federal NCIC database. There are established guidelines in which a state risks loosing access to the database if they violate the terms and conditions of use.

An example is if a state or agency is not protecting the information against unlawful disclosure they can loose access and even face fines and criminal charges.

The database information is to be used for legitimate law enforcement purposes only. Federal law already forbids the federal government from tracking this information and they would not take kindly for some state to use their database to violate federal law.

16 posted on 05/24/2016 11:16:40 AM PDT by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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Hawaii is a very, very liberal state. Makes MA & CT look centrist. Not gun friendly at all.


20 posted on 05/24/2016 11:27:56 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam. Buy ammo.")
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I’m sure this will include serial numbers.


26 posted on 05/24/2016 11:43:04 AM PDT by umgud
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“Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws.”

Typical libtard thinking:

- “Ha ha! Gun owners names are in a data base, now we’re super duper safe!”

- “But what about the criminal who have obtained their guns illegally?”

- “Well, this is a good start.”

I have to wonder if the fools who wrote this legislation genuinely think they are making things any safer, or do they just lie about it being the first step towards confiscation....


28 posted on 05/24/2016 11:46:38 AM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws.

That is always the argument...'safety'.... when in fact that is total baloney.....hopefully the Hawaiians will stand strong and defeat this move for more unconstitutional power.

30 posted on 05/24/2016 12:02:44 PM PDT by yoe
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First to “officially do what the Feds say will not happen - probably a handful already doing it covertly....


32 posted on 05/24/2016 12:07:54 PM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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I've visited Hawaii once...years ago.Stayed a week and liked it a lot.But unlike many far off places I've been to to which I've returned (more than a few such places) I have no desire to set foot in Hawaii ever again.

And politics is one of the more important reasons for that attitude.

33 posted on 05/24/2016 12:13:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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Of course anyone who has bought guns, at least in the past 15-20 years, is already in an illegal FBI database. Of that, I have no doubt. The accuracy of the database is in question, because of private sales, which is why certain people are so hot and bothered to get ALL sales and transfers run through background checks.


34 posted on 05/24/2016 12:22:40 PM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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“Safe gun laws”

How the hell is this a “safe gun law”???


35 posted on 05/24/2016 12:39:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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1968 Gun Control Act - Creation of FFL for commercial gun dealers and ATF Form 4473 to be filled out by gun buyers. Dealers are required to maintain completed forms for 20 years in the case of completed sales, and for 5 years where the sale was disapproved as a result of the NICS check (beginning in 1998).

1986 Firearm Owners' Protection Act(FOPA)
FOPA also forbade any U.S. Government agency from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act (1934, i.e., machine guns and sawed-off shot guns) firearms to their owners. The specific language of this law is Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926

FOPA-1986
Nevertheless, the ATF Firearms Tracing System (FTS) contains hundreds of millions of firearm tracing and registration records, and consists of several databases:

1. Multiple Sale Reports - Over 460,000 (2003) Multiple Sales reports (ATF F 3310.4 - a registration record with specific firearms and owner name and address - increasing by about 140,000 per year). Reported as 4.2 million records in 2010.

2. Suspect Guns - All guns suspected of being used for criminal purposes but not recovered by law enforcement. This database includes (ATF's own examples[citation needed]), individuals purchasing large quantities of firearms, and dealers with improper record keeping. May include guns observed by law enforcement in an estate, or at a gun show, or elsewhere. Reported as 34,807 in 2010.

3. Traced Guns - Over 4 million detail records from all traces since inception.[12] This is a registration record which includes the personal information of the first retail purchaser, along with the identity of the selling dealer.

4. Out of Business Records - Data is manually collected from paper Out-of-Business records (or input from computer records) and entered into the trace system by ATF. These are registration records which include name and address, make, model, serial and caliber of the firearm(s), as well as data from the 4473 form - in digital or image format. In March, 2010, ATF reported receiving several hundred million records since 1968.

5. Theft Guns - Firearms reported as stolen to ATF. Contained 330,000 records in 2010. Contains only thefts from licensed dealers and interstate carriers (optional).[12] Does not have an interface to the FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) theft data base, where the majority of stolen, lost and missing firearms are reported.

1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act - Mandated the creation of the NICS.

1998 - FBI launches the NICS. The FFL dealer contacts the NICS by telephone or Internet. When the background check is initiated 3 databases are accessed: (1) the National Crime Information Center (NCIC), (2) the Interstate Identification Index (III), and (3) the NICS Index. According to the FBI, checks are usually determined within minutes of initiation. If there is no match in any of the checked databases, the dealer is cleared to proceed with the transfer. Otherwise, the FBI's NCIS Section must contact the appropriate judicial and/or law enforcement agencies for more information. Per the Brady Act, the FBI has 3 business days to make its decision to approve or deny the transfer. If the FFL has not received the decision within that time it may legally proceed anyway.

The FBI originally wanted the NICS inquiry requests by FFL dealers (essentially AFT Form 4473) for prospective firearm buyers be allowed to be kept on record for 18 months. The GOA backed them down to 6 months retention. This is an apparent violation of Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926.

1/08/2016 - Obama Wants to Hire Hundreds More FBI, ATF Staff>
The Obama administration wants to hire hundreds more federal law enforcement personnel to expedite mandatory background checks on gun buyers, as part of several new executive actions aiming at reducing gun violence.

The FBI will hire more than 230 extra analysts and other staff for the National Instant Criminal Background Check System – the 17-year-old database created to prevent gun sales to those prohibited from obtaining firearms – to help provide round-the-clock processing of background checks and faster notice to local authorities about potential unlawful gun purchases. According to information on the FBI’s website, NICS currently is “customarily available 17 hours a day, seven days a week, including holidays (except Christmas).”

The White House said the new hiring “will begin immediately and increase the existing workforce by 50 percent,” according to a fact sheet on the executive actions. “This will reduce the strain on the NICS system and improve its ability to identify dangerous people who are prohibited from buying a gun before the transfer of a firearm is completed.”

Carol Cratty, an FBI spokeswoman, said by email that the FBI will hire the additional NICS personnel over the next 2 years. NICS staff work at the FBI’s Criminal Justice Information Services Branch, based in Clarksburg, WV.

Cratty said the workload of NICS has increased steadily since the creation of the database in 1998 “with December 2015 being the highest month on record for background checks.” In addition to more staff, the agency is overhauling the system’s technology to modernize it to handle expedited processing. The FBI also is working with “federal, state, local and tribal partners to gather more complete criminal and mental health records,” Cratty said.

The White House also wants to hire 200 new investigators and agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (also part of Justice) to help enforce gun laws, including the measures Obama announced. One of the major “new actions” requires background checks and a license for gun sellers, regardless of location. The move is designed to clarify the current language on the books to close the so-called loophole associated with sales at guns shows and online.

37 posted on 05/24/2016 1:31:55 PM PDT by MacNaughton (" ...it is better to die on the losing side than to live under Communism." Whitaker Chambers)
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