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Intent is required.
It’s called mens rea.


9 posted on 05/05/2016 8:22:09 PM PDT by Fasceto
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To: Fasceto

Espionage is a different kind of bird.

Take a look at it.


22 posted on 05/05/2016 8:25:08 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Fasceto

Wrong. Gross negligence is also a form of mens rea. Read the statute.


23 posted on 05/05/2016 8:25:14 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Fasceto

..Intent is required.
It’s called mens rea...

Unlike most crimes, specific intent is NOT
required for a conviction on this.

I suggest you read the statute. The “intent” wording is absent.


24 posted on 05/05/2016 8:26:03 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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To: Fasceto

> Intent is required. It’s called mens rea.

I’m afraid your conception of justice is one that has not applied to the US justice system in a long, long time. Mens rea is no longer required except where explicitly stated as a requirement in a statute.


25 posted on 05/05/2016 8:26:51 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Fasceto

Not for strict liability crimes like this. Even if they give her a pass, the law still requires that she be barred from ever holding another federal job or position of authority.


31 posted on 05/05/2016 8:29:05 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Fasceto
18 U.S.C. §§ 793, and specifically 793(F) lowers the mens rea requirement from specific intent to gross negligence.

There is a good discussion of it here: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/04/emmens_reaem_and_hillary_clinton.html

There is also a good argument that her withholding the information from FOIA requests and from the Benghazi Committee constitutes evidence of removal from proper repository for a specific intent.

50 posted on 05/05/2016 8:37:43 PM PDT by FredZarguna (And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Fifth Avenue to be Born?)
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To: Fasceto
Intent is required. It’s called mens rea.

No it is not. Mishandling of secure information is a crime.

I have to take training several times a year on the proper handling of secure information. Mishandling is "mala se".

51 posted on 05/05/2016 8:37:52 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Fasceto
It’s called mens rea.

Take a look at 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information. It's "gross negligence". Your boss is certainly gross.

98 posted on 05/05/2016 9:05:22 PM PDT by Stentor ("Hiding behind 'conservative' while America goes down the toilet is not acceptable anymore." LS)
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To: Fasceto

Mens rea is an ‘element’ of a chargeable offense.

For instance;

Intentionally run somebody over = Homicide

Drunk, run somebody over = Negligent Homicide

In an accident, somebody dies = maybe a traffic ticket.

In Hill’s case, mens rea is irrelevant; her negligent handling of the information all by itself constitutes a felony.


126 posted on 05/05/2016 9:47:48 PM PDT by bakeneko
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To: Fasceto

NO that is not true for the handling of classified information careless or reckless behavior is all that is needed


133 posted on 05/05/2016 10:01:34 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Fasceto
Part of 18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information (bolding is mine):

"(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

145 posted on 05/06/2016 3:34:31 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey now baby, get into my big black car, I just want to show you what my politics are.)
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To: Fasceto

Incorrect.

First, the statute does not require intent. Mistaken mishandling of classified material is illegal, and has been punished severely in the past.

Second, the act of setting up a non-government server, while simultaneously shunning the secure system already in place for the Secretary of State position implies clear intent to avoid the secure system. I have read, IIRC, that Hillary did not even have a state department email address - that means she deliberately avoided the secure system.

Third, she was required (like all who handle classified info) to undergo a series of training sessions, complete with signed acknowledgements, on what was allowed and not allowed. To immediately violate the acknowledged rules signals intent, even though it is not required under the statute.

The only other alternative is that Hillary’s IQ is so low that she cannot understand the word “classified”.


155 posted on 05/06/2016 5:14:23 AM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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