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Tonight’s 2 big losers, and no, one is not Ted Cruz! (Vanity)
3 Friends driking Scotch tonight

Posted on 05/03/2016 9:16:33 PM PDT by Strac6

There are two huge losers tonight and neither of them is Ted Cruz. The Cruz campaign was dead in the water after the New York primary, and in his heart, Cruz knew it.

One of the realities of politics is that money is the grease that enables the political engine to go forward. Due to the stunning degree of Cruz’s loss in New York, and especially considering how much better than the poll expectations Trump did, Cruz fundraising was on pause after the New York primary two weeks ago.

As the election embarrassments continued for Cruz during the ACELA primaries, the fundraising stopped, DRT.

When you consider that Cruz was as much as eight points ahead of Trump in Indiana less than three weeks ago, and he suffered a blistering defeat tonight, the Cruz defeat /retreat/surrender was total, but certainly expected.

Simply put, Cruz had run out of ideas, supporters, and money simultaneously.

He will now begin to say very nice things about Donald Trump, with the hope that he can salvage something out of this campaign and not end up as nothing more than the punchline for bad standup comedian’s jokes.

The real losers tonight were Hillary and Kasich.

Hillary’s failure to perform anywhere near her polls is a clear and convincing indication that whatever support she has, beyond the 30% labor/gay/hard left that would support any Democrat even if we had an 8 x 10 Glossy of them shooting Santa Claus on Christmas Eve, is more shallow than the Bay of Fundy at low tide. One of the worst things for Hillary is that Gods are expected not to bleed, and tonight, she leaked all over the State of Indiana.

Tonight she lost her title as the presumptive candidate, and even worse than that, even her best supporters no longer assume even if nominated she would win the General Election.

There is an old “rule” that most candidates who are leading the Democratic presidential primary two years before the election never make it to the “finals.” You only have to look back to the recent Democratic front runners who were NOT nominated such as Clinton in 2008, Ed Muskie, Gary Hart, and so many more. “Scoop” Jackson, the Democratic Senator from Boeing, was so sure that he was a shoo-in in 1968, his wife had done everything but pick out the new White House China.

The bottom line on Hillary now; she is the Democratic “All-Star” who is about to go on the 21 year disabled list, and there is no one on the Democratic bench who has a chance. Unfortunately, there is one exception to that prior sentence and that would be a Biden/Warren ticket.

Despite all his prior protestations, if Clinton gets out, Biden/Warren will be in within 72 hours.

The big loser tonight on the Republican side is not Cruz but Gov. Kasich. Prior to Trump’s overwhelming win and Cruz’s surrender, Kasich was a bit of a kingmaker with his hundred plus delegates. If Donald Trump had been within 80 to 100 delegate votes to get the nomination on the first ballot, Kasich would have been in a position to demand virtually anything he wanted, with the possible exception of the vice presidency. Of course, being a reasonably smart man, Kasich would’ve called for a much more visible and important post then vice president.

After tonight, if Kasich campaign officials were to ask Trump campaign officials what they should do with their hundred plus first ballot votes, Trump officials might tell them to dispose of them in an exceptionally anatomically painful way.

If tonight’s Indiana Republican primary was a Las Vegas high-stakes poker game, at this hour Donald Trump would be in the 26th floor penthouse celebrating his victory with the world’s finest champagne, Cruz would be in his 1993 Chevrolet headed back to Encino, and Gov. Kasich still be sitting at the table with a moderately large pile of totally worthless chips in front of them, wondering what just happened.

Strap on your seatbelts boys and girls; it’s going to be a hell of a next six months!


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KEYWORDS: 2016election; 2016gopprimary; election2016; tedcruz; texas
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To: JediJones

Yea... I would never characterize trump as a pure capitalist.


121 posted on 05/04/2016 5:16:17 AM PDT by SPRINK
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To: sargon
Now that's what I call turning lemons into lemonade.

If you really want to drive your enemies nuts, turn lemons into limoncello.

And the offer them a drink.

Much more satisfying.

122 posted on 05/04/2016 5:26:03 AM PDT by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (We are the dangerous ones, who stand between all we love and a more dangerous world.)
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To: Strac6

FIORINO=LOSER.


123 posted on 05/04/2016 5:27:29 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: cba123

No. Cruz did not even have the decency to acknowledge and congratulate his opponent. Even in defeat he was extremely unlikable.

Good riddance to the Canadian.


124 posted on 05/04/2016 5:31:47 AM PDT by jimbo807
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To: jimbo807

Decency? Or even pretend decency, he just couldn’t muster it. Not capable.

Remember, Ted never played sports. Not in his vocab to acknowledge or congratulate the winner. He’s not learned how to be a gracious winner or a gracious loser.

Unhinged over his father and his ‘real life story’ beginning to unravel. So many unanswered questions with this guy, ya got to stop and wonder why, again.

IMO, Cruz had no plans of exiting until the exposure of his father’s past went viral. In addition to that damage, the shaky Canadian timeline was ripe for exploration.


125 posted on 05/04/2016 6:04:05 AM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: MrEdd

“His problem was a surplus of siding with illegal aliens, communist flag carrying thugs, and Muslim activists when they attacked Trump’s Chicago rally.”

You hit the nail on the head. I was a Cruz supporter up until this point. He made a strategic error when he sided with the leftist protestors. Meanwhile, Trump stuck to his guns, which people respect.


126 posted on 05/04/2016 6:30:11 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: MUDDOG
"Mark Lane won a federal lawsuit defending Liberty Lobby, which was sued by Howard Hunt for libel for having published an allegation that Hunt was involved in the JFK assassination.

Lane proved to the satisfaction of the jury that the anti-Castro Cubans run by Hunt at the CIA were indeed intimately involved in the JFK assassination."

Actually, Lane proved no such thing. The case hinged on whether or not the Def had Actual Malice in publishing the article. As a "public person," Hunt had to prove that Def published the article; #1, knowing it was incorrect, and #2, with the INTENT of damaging Hunt.

In fact, jury returned a million dollar verdict for Hunt, reversed on appeal, because Hunt could not meet the legal standards of PROVING Def BOTH knew story was false and did publish it with the INTENT of hurting Hunt.

Sounds strange, but you effectively can lie about a Public Person, and as long as your intent was, for example, to make money, you are suit proof.

Def never for one moment proved any Cuban-Kennedy assassination connection. In fact jury returned a verdict that said such connection was not proved.

127 posted on 05/04/2016 7:00:01 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: progunner

I hope Mrs. Bill is the one to be defeated.


128 posted on 05/04/2016 7:02:52 AM PDT by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali soIg o feccia.)
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To: Strac6

The Democrats can replace their candidate two days before the election if they so choose. The Republicans WILL NOT CHALLENGE anything nefarious that the Democrats might do.


129 posted on 05/04/2016 7:05:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali soIg o feccia.)
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To: arthurus

Here is the real Constitutional Crisis.

What happens if a nominee is elected as POTUS, but dies before inauguration?

What happens if both presidential and VP candidate were to die in an accident, before inauguration?

Talk about uncharted waters....


130 posted on 05/04/2016 8:09:39 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: MUDDOG

“He’ll probably pretend he was never against Trump.”

LOL!

guess we’ll find out today.


131 posted on 05/04/2016 8:20:43 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Strac6

The verdict did NOT hinge on absence of malice.

Lane took the case only on the condition of arguing it on the merits.

Which he did.

The jury found for Liberty Lobby on the validity of the allegation. The jury forewoman said so to the press after the verdict. She specifically said absence of malice was not the basis of their verdict.

I do agree that such a jury finding does not estalish the truth one way or the other. But it counts for something.


132 posted on 05/04/2016 8:41:23 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Strac6

There were two trials. Liberty Lobby lost the first one, where they were not represented by Lane. The first trial was overturned and retried, where they were represented by Lane.

I’m talking about the second trial.


133 posted on 05/04/2016 8:54:03 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

It counts for book profits for Lane. I never had a matter with him, but years ago talked to people who did. I believe the most favorable. description I ever heard of him was “opportunistic scum.”

And why would he not argue AOM first and foremost? That’s the much easier course? Lay up and take the chip shot. Do you have a formal cite for the statements from the 2d jury forewoman or Lane’s arguments?

?


134 posted on 05/04/2016 10:44:32 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: Strac6

Nothing wrong with profits!

The jury forewoman was Leslie Armstrong.

From pages 321-322 of “Plausible Denial”:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The reporters gathered around Leslie Armstrong. What had caused her to vote for the defendant [Liberty Lobby], she was asked time and again. Patiently she explained that at the outset she was, as were all of the jurors, absolutely objective...

And why had she found against Hunt, she was asked by impatient reporters shouting questions...

The evidence was clear, she said. The CIA had killed President Kennedy. Hunt had been part of it, and the evidence, so painstakingly presented, should now be examined by relevant institutions...

One reporter for a local Miami television station [asked] “What about lack of actual malice? Wasn’t that the basis for your decision?” She replied that if the jurors had not believed the truth of the actual allegation... they would have then considered the question of malice. As for her, she said, it never came to that. The evidence was very impressive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Again, I want to emphasize that a jury verdict does not necessarily determine the truth (e.g. OJ!), but the jurors heard a lot of evidence and in this case, I think the jurors made a reasonable decision based on what they saw and heard.

As for me, I haven’t studied the JFk assassination enough to have a firm opinion.


135 posted on 05/04/2016 11:07:38 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

Do you possibly know the case style?

Was it a Florida District Court case, Hunt v. Liberty Lobby?


136 posted on 05/04/2016 11:28:41 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: Strac6

United States District Court, Southern District of Florida, Miami, Florida, case number 80-1121-Civ-JWK. E. Howard Hunt, plaintiff, versus Liberty Lobby, defendant. Verdict as of February 6, 1985.


137 posted on 05/04/2016 11:40:35 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: MUDDOG

Thanks. I’ll pull the electronic case file when I have some time to review. I’m surprised Lane did not argue AOM as his first line of defense, and if he didn’t, why.

That was the 12 inch putt

Be well.


138 posted on 05/04/2016 11:46:15 AM PDT by Strac6 (The primaries are only the semi-finals. ALL THAT MATTERS IS DEFEATING HILLARY IN NOVEMBER.)
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To: Strac6

The reason Lane didn’t argue AOM was because his only interest in the case was to get some of the prinicpals in the CIA and gov’t under oath in deposition and thereby dig out info on the assassination.

Lane really didn’t give a flip about Liberty Lobby.

He told Liberty Lobby, the only way I’ll represent you, is if you let me go at the merits.


139 posted on 05/04/2016 11:52:00 AM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Strac6

And Lane wanted the trial which Oswald never got.

This was the closest he could get.


140 posted on 05/04/2016 12:11:21 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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