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Shunned for saying they're Muslims: life for Ahmadis after Asad Shah's murder
The Guardian ^ | 9 Apr 2016 | Libby Brooks

Posted on 04/19/2016 10:14:10 PM PDT by Cronos

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Note - The founder of the Ahmadi movement – Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – was born in Punjab in 1835. Considering himself the reviver of the original teachings of Islam, he was regarded by his followers as the messiah and the follower prophet of Muhammad. And while Ahmadis insist that he was not a “law-giving” prophet like Muhammad, few among the Muslim mainstream accept this argument...In 1974, under severe pressure from clerics, Pakistan’s first elected prime minister, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, introduced a constitutional amendment that declared Ahmadi to be non-Muslims
1 posted on 04/19/2016 10:14:10 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: Cronos

If you go around introducing yourself as an axe murderer, you get shunned too - and the axe murderer plans to kill only a few people, not everybody on the planet who isn’t also an axe murderer.


2 posted on 04/19/2016 11:24:12 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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Here's what this story is about.

Asad Shah was a shopkeeper in Glasgow who was also an Ahmadi.

The Ahmadis are an unusually peaceful sect of Islam.

Asad Shah put up a sign in his shop saying Happy Easter to all his Christian customers.

He was murdered for it, by a sunni Muslim.

Now other Ahmadis (like Asad Shah) are being ostracised by sunni Muslims.

They are literally being ostracised - by sunni Muslims - for NOT being axe-murderers.



This is the text of the sign that Asad Shah put up a few hours before he was murdered.

"Good Friday and a very Happy Easter, especially to my beloved Christian nation … Let’s follow the real footstep of beloved holy Jesus Christ and get the real success in both worlds."

3 posted on 04/19/2016 11:54:42 PM PDT by agere_contra (Hamas has dug miles of tunnels - but no bomb-shelters.)
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One can be peaceful, or one can follow Islam, but one can’t do both. Mohammad couldn’t have been more explicit.

The Sunnis who shun them know this, and would probably murder them all for heresy if the opportunity arose.

They should find in themselves the courage to reject the creed of the mad prophet in name as well as in practice.


4 posted on 04/20/2016 12:03:28 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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Note - The founder of the Ahmadi movement – Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – was born in Punjab in 1835. Considering himself the reviver of the original teachings of Islam, he was regarded by his followers as the messiah and the follower prophet of Muhammad. And while Ahmadis insist that he was not a “law-giving” prophet like Muhammad, few among the Muslim mainstream accept this argument...In 1974, under severe pressure from clerics, Pakistan’s first elected prime minister, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, introduced a constitutional amendment that declared Ahmadi to be non-Muslims.

The Ahmadi are delusional, peacenick, goofballs who unwittingly provide cover for Jihadist Muslims of the stealth and overt varieties. I often see and hear Ahmadi spokesmen in the mass media speaking about Islam and Muhammad with a positive peaceful spin. Thus misleading gullible Westerners to think that half or most Muslims must be like this. 
The sad fact is that Ahmadi are maybe 1% of all Muslims so they are completely ineffective and useless while the other 99% of Muslims call them apostates. Seriously!. If Ahmadis were 25%-50% of Muslims then we would could relax more about the Islamic stealth Jihad of immigration into Western nations (especially Belgium, France, Germany, Holland,  England etc) and their high birthrates.

The only way these dumb Ahmadis keep their sanity is by focusing only on the 20% of the Koran that is benign. Think extreme denial and tunnel vision. One of these silly fools is on Sean Hannity all the time.

And the Ahmadi  are saints compared to the Sufis who have often engaged in Jihad such as in Kashmir today. The Sufis can be cool and mystical and harmless but they have in fact had a Jihadist strain for centuries. I was shocked when I learned this!

5 posted on 04/20/2016 12:14:33 AM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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Thanks for the Reader’s Digest version. I am speechless.


6 posted on 04/20/2016 3:34:29 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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Ahmadi

are they waiting for Muad Dhib


7 posted on 04/20/2016 3:38:28 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....)
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Very interesting. Thanks for all the information to consider.


8 posted on 04/20/2016 3:59:47 AM PDT by OldNewYork (Operation Wetback II, now with computers)
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No meaningful reform is possible within Islam. The fanatics holding the koran and a sword always murder the reformers in the end.


9 posted on 04/20/2016 4:05:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Muslim Mormons?


10 posted on 04/20/2016 4:15:33 AM PDT by Moltke (Reasoning with a liberal is like watering a rock in the hope to grow a building)
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Almaddhi are the Unitarians of the Muslim world - and the fact that they are routinely killed for it is proof that fundamentalist Islam is violent, aside from the Sunni/Shia violence that has gone on for 1400 years.
Pakistan’s constitution even denounces the religious group.


11 posted on 04/20/2016 6:33:43 AM PDT by tbw2
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Perhaps I am not understanding you correctly. Are you insinuating that Ahmadis are axe-murderers? Please clarify.


12 posted on 04/20/2016 10:54:45 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Three things sustain the existence of the world: justice truth, and peace. " - Mishnah)
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Ahmadis are more like -— I think -— the Jehovah’s Witnesses of the Muslim world.


13 posted on 04/20/2016 10:59:25 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Three things sustain the existence of the world: justice truth, and peace. " - Mishnah)
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To: agere_contra

A “Peaceful” Muslim is an apostate.


14 posted on 04/20/2016 11:00:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: OldNewYork

You are welcome..thanks for reading.


15 posted on 04/20/2016 12:34:19 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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Sufi Jihad?
The American Thinker ^ | May 15th, 2005 | Andrew G. Bostom

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1654538/posts


16 posted on 04/20/2016 12:46:47 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2005/05/sufi_jihad.html

May 15, 2005 Sufi Jihad? By Andrew G. Bostom

The Sufi branch of Islam has enjoyed spectacularly good press in the West. Hailed as peaceful mystics who believe jihad is a spiritual quest, nothing violent or unpleasant, Sufism has attracted favorable attention and converts from all sorts of Westerners, from new agers in Marin County, California, to East Coast intellectuals. But Sufis are not necessarily all peace—loving meditative seekers of the divine.

The formation of the 'The Sufi Jihadi Squadrons of Shaykh 'Abd al—Qadir al—Gilani' in Iraq was recently announced�at the� jihadist website, 'Jihad Unspun'. The Al—Gilani (d.1166) after whom they are named was in fact a Hanbali Sufi.

Sufi jihadists'(?)—a 'Hanbali Sufi'(??)—haven't we been lectured at great length about the singular evils of 'Wahhabism'� —rooted in the Hanbali school of Muslim jurisprudence, epitomized by Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328)—versus its Islamic 'antithesis',� the ecumenical tradition of mystical Sufism???����

Notwithstanding the musings of a Muslim journalist and neo—convert from Bolshevism to Sufi Islam (see his bizarre and treacly 'profession of faith' here,�and a clinical description of what this newly described syndrome represents),� Sufism has been linked integrally to the Muslim institution of jihad war since the 11th century C.E.

EXCERPT____________

17 posted on 04/20/2016 12:49:42 PM PDT by dennisw (The strong take from the weak, but the smart take from the strong)
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Killing everyone who is not a moslem is a core doctrine of islam. Anyone who calls himself a moslem is professing to want to kill you (and your children and everyone else), if you are not.

If they don’t actually want to do that, they shouldn’t be calling themselves moslems, it would be like calling yourself an axe murderer when you had no intention of murdering anyone with an axe.


18 posted on 04/20/2016 2:36:08 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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The other Muslims don't consider the nonviolent Ahmadis to be real Muslims. However the Ahmadis say they follow every one of the religious practices of Islam, except that they don't follow violent jihad.

They read the "jihad" passages of the Koran as allegorical, standing symbolically for the internal battle against evil temptation. Which is how many Christians consider the accounts of aggressive warfare and even genocide in the Old Testament; and how Gandhi nonviolently re-interpreted the Bhagavad Gita.

The fact that today's Christians (and for that matter, Jews) don't want to commit genocide against unbelievers, as the Israelites (e.g. Joshua and David) did against the Amalekites and other Canaanites, doesn't mean we aren't really Christians or Jews.

19 posted on 04/20/2016 2:50:51 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Three things sustain the existence of the world: justice, truth, and peace. " - Mishnah)
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I’m aware of that interpretation, but it’s an exercise in absurdity; Mohammad himself spent most of his life slaughtering people en masse. An allegorical interpretation is grossly ahistorical and at direct odds with the life of their prophet.

There is no valid parallel to the OT; the Israelites did in fact kill off those people they were told to kill off, but those were one-shot deals for a very specific time and place. In mohammadeanism, it’s an eternal and perpetual command with no expiration date.

There is simply no way to make mohammadeanism peaceful, as Mo was one of the most violent and savage individuals to ever walk the planet and his creed was constructed specifically to justify his mass murders, slave-taking, rapes, deceptions, and basically anything else he felt like doing.

Even his own child-slave wife is quoted in the Hadiths as noting how Mo’s “revelations” kept conveniently commanding him to do what he had wanted to do beforehand anyway.


20 posted on 04/20/2016 2:58:44 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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