Posted on 04/13/2016 7:44:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
It might be shocking to the many, but, Abraham is a Christian... Parable of the rich man.
All Jews are Israelites, descended from Jacob (Israel).
But not all Israelites are Jews, only those descended from Jacob’s son Judah. David and his descendant kings, including Jesus, were Jews.
After King Solomon died and the Kingdom of Israel split, ten idolatrous tribes took the northern lands and retained the name “Israel.” Two tribes remained in the south (Judah and Benjamin), and they became the Kingdom of Judah, the Jews. Ten tribes in the north + two tribes in the south = twelve total.
Israel was taken into captivity by the Assyrians, and Judah was exiled (and Jerusalem and the temple destroyed) by the Babylonians as a result of idolatry.
The Jews were eventually allowed to return and rebuild and repopulate Judah and Jerusalem. However, the ten northern tribes, the “lost tribes”, were scattered throughout the Assyrian lands and dissolved into other cultures.
Right, the Moslems are not Jews ...
What does "King of the Jews" mean to you ?
Mordecai was considered a Jew, because he was from Judah. He was one of the captives taken when Judah fell to the Babylonians.
The kingdom of Judah consisted of the two southern tribes, Judah and Benjamin, either of which would have been called Jews because of their nationality.
I hope you’re not suggesting that religious purity is a hurdle for a Presidential candidate, because your guy is in big trouble if that’s the case.
Oh was this an article about Cruz? I missed that in my reading. tell me does he have to pay you rent for living in your head?
Wait. What? Moses wasn’t a Jew and something to do with Cruz?
Jeez. I AM A LEVI and I have no idea what you’re talking about. PLEASE no YESHUAH YAHWEH YESHUAH YAHWEH nonsense.
When will this FR madness stop?
That’s all true. Take note that the other ten tribes of the northern kingdom are referred to by Jesus as the “lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6/15:24).
Also, Melchizedek preceded Judah and Levi, i.e. the tribes, insofar as Abraham being a contemporary. The epistle to the Hebrews confirms Melchizedek’s identity.
Would it satisfy the Christians if you just completely re-defined our ancient religion based on your New Testament? Please - do so. Jesus was of the House of David. Jesus is the ONE. The ONE. Along with the Father and the Holy Spirit, the Triune ONE of a possible number. SHEMA is revised, partially, in all the Holiness of the Lords. All that was is new. The LORD sort of messed up on the First commandment but he got it right: Yeshuah! Kasich! Yahweh! To be fair, YOU are right and the old sinners are wrong. Bless you! Good luck in Heaven, sorry we’ll all burn.
Muslims aren’t Israelites, either. They trace their lineage to Ishmael, Abraham’s illegitimate son, rather than to Isaac, the father of Jacob/Israel.
Jesus was “King of the Jews.” He was of the tribe of Judah. (Technically, all the kings of the southern kingdom of Judah were “kings of the Jews” in their time, but I don’t think that’s what you meant.)
In the time of Jesus, Herod was a secular king of Judah, a Roman puppet. The taunt, “Are you the king of the Jews?” was both a sneer and an accusation of insurrection and treason.
Whoops! Missed JEHOVAH! Hey where’s the Hebrew from the former Lutherans? Luther LOVED Jews. MUST scream any imaginable names of the Godhead on internet forums for optimum holiness! Thanks -
We are making progress. You consent that the term Jew does not only refer to a Jew of the tribe of Judah, but whoever attaches himself to the nation of the Jews, ie., the Jewish People. All Israel, the remnant of Israel from each of the Twelve Tribes, in Exile or the Land of Israel, looked to Judea because therein lay Jerusalem, the eternal city where God placed His Name.
Mordechai was of the tribe of Benjamin, not the tribe of Judah. He was a Jew. There were many who saw the salvation of the Jews in the time of Mordechai and Esther and became Jews while in the Exile. And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
Esther, Catholic chapter eight, Protestant verse seventeen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine
I suggested exactly the opposite, responding to a poster's assertion that Cruz has violated 40% of the Ten Commandments. All of us has violated every one of them, and every candidate would be in big trouble if purity was a requirement. And for the record, the GOP nominee (whether Trump or Cruz) will be "my guy" against Hillary.
[[My understanding is that Abraham was a Syrian, not a Jew. Is this incorrect?]]
(Genesis 11:31) And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there.
He wasn’t Syrian , he was from Ur of the Chaldees . That is the area between the Tigris river and the Eurphates river near Babylon , modern day Iraq.
He is known as the first Hebrew because he crossed over (Eber).
Technically the descendants of Jacob are all known as Israelites (Abraham > Issac > Jacob )
Yes... The reason Christ called them 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' is the punishment placed upon them because of Jeremiah 3:8... The Minor Prophets said they would not know who they are... But one can get clues, from the promises given to each individual tribe, Genesis 49:1 And Jacob called his sons, and said, "Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days..... Each son=tribe is listed and their promise foretold.
Also, Melchizedek preceded Judah and Levi, i.e. the tribes, insofar as Abraham being a contemporary. The epistle to the Hebrews confirms Melchizedek’s identity.
I do not get the idea that Melchizedek was in flesh.
Muslims are Israelis, and Muslims are not Jews.
I asked what "King of the Jews" meant to you. Do you really think of it as a "sneer and an accusation of insurrection and treason" ? Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
Matthew, Catholic chapter two, Protestant verses one to six,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James,
boldness mine
All Israel are brethren.
Please accept my apologies — my response, which went to Always A Marine, was intended for Zenjitsuman’s Post #9.
I agree completely with your voting plans. Holding one’s nose is often necessary, and I’m prepared to do it in November.
As an aside, this is a very encouraging thread. So much scripture knowledge displayed here, a genuine and interesting discussion. FR has been so toxic and nasty lately that I feared all the nice folks had left.
**There is no “myth of the lost ten tribes”; that is Biblical and spoken of in the Bible.**
You mean like here:
“..So was Israel carried away out of their own land to Assyria unto this day.” 2Kings 17:23
The writer seems to know where the ten tribes were at that time.
Dear John,
I always thought that the A______y was the star of the Torah.
... but hey, maybe that is just me.
And what happened after the Assyrian empire fell? That is not included in “to this day”, which was before Judah fell to the Chaldeans.
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